Message from @RyeNorth
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On what grounds do you define undesirable genes?
If your genes were found to be undesirable, would you commit to this same system?
Genes that make people more likely to be criminal, less intelligent ect.
Well certainly.
If I did have undesirable genes I wouldn't have children.
Alright
So, genes that cause people to be more likely to be criminals
let's start with that. How do you isolate these?
Genetic analysis? Observable lineage?
'Five Finger Discount runs in the family?'
I think we should sterilize violent criminals.
if I accidentally drop a candy wrapper in the park do I lose my right to reproduce?
Yes, now hush.
you violent litterer.
(there we go).
Alright, so what if this violent criminal has already had children?
This would have the effect of making these genes to be less prevalent within the population so over time crime would reduce quite significantly.
That's not an answer to the question.
I would what to see if that child commits a violent crime and if they did they would be sterilized.
But wouldn't that go against the principle?
I don't know if it's becuase of the genes and I don't want to just sterilize people who don't have bad genes.
Well, In the real world, we don't recognize criminality as being genetic. We do, however recognize that there's a correlation between broken families and criminality.
(A link not often pointed to in the media)
I agree with the broken families point but there are genes like the warrior gene which makes people more likly to commit violent crime.
'the warrior gene'. You'll have to explain that.
I would not be surprised if there was a genetic link between certain types of criminality
Bassicly it's a behavioural gene which makes people more violent and agressive.
Well, sure. the closest thing we have to that is genetic mental illnesses.
I haven't seen clear evidence of it; but there definitely is a propensity for certain races towards certain crimes
But we recognize that as treatable, and different from criminality.
the stats don't lie
I'm sorry mate but as this artical points ouut there is a link. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/two-genes-found-linked-to-tendency-for-violent-crime-9824061.html
but it could be cultural
Qualifiers in the headline.
'Could be'
I don't think there are enough data points
requires more research
kind of like what Tim said the other day, if the headline ends in a question mark, the answer is probably 'no'.
If you have to put qualifiers in your article's headline, it's not definitive.