But until the last century essentially all of thr western world was part of it, the children changed that

Which is my point, not that its impossible to make a society, but to keep it good is, since new people bring new ideas and want to implement it cuz they think it works

children are not always so different than their parents. what tends to effect the next generation becoming different than the last generation is usually more outside influinces on them and a period of issues that are starkly different than what their previous generation delt with and sometimes blaming the old one for those problems existing in the first place (rightly or wrongly)

Children can be VERY different, rebel phases, thats how we went from moral right-wing america to leftist victim america and now its slowly switching again

we have had more cultural revoltions that we have documented in the last 100 years than what has occured in the 500 years before it

Exactly due to more easier spread of ideas and stuff

which is ironic consitering we are living longer

People live longer, ideas don't

Look at modern political discussion, ideas are crucified before checked for reasin simply cuz of who said it

and that is starting to shift again

this is just life.

But my original point was that you cant force society to change since it will naturally be countered again better change it naturally

yeah social engineering isint a force its an influince

Well sure in that sense i can agree

you can't force it, you can build it. you cannot necessarily maintain it.

my suggestions usually to people who want to change the world is to find out who their neighbers are

But like banning words and stuff like Facebook does is forcing it, which is why it doesn t work

you wouldent beleive how many people dont know the names of the people who live next to them

you can only destroy with force

you only build with cooperation.

Dude I dont even know my right side neighbors last name

you know thats inhuman right? not the sort of way we use inhuman today to mean "evil" but inhuman as to say, humans have never lived like that until very recently

because survival up till this point relied upon knowing people around you

if they dont know you they have no reason to respect you

Survival up until this point had the people you spent most your time with be your neighbors.

Well i hang out with them, and know their first names 🤔

Now it's the people at your work

well thats probably alright, im more talking about people who dont know anything about the people around them

And if you want to survive, you work with them to keep your business alive

I dont know anything about the people across the street though

Those are just weird to me, how can they live on THAT side of the road, honestly 😆

I don't know the people who live in my building but I know the people at my work. Because I spent 80% of my time there

Im still a student, everyone is a temporary person due to drop outs and such

but its funny, ive talked to people who work at charitys and stuff who want to help the world who dont even know the people that live on their street

and its not like they live in an appartment either

Its because they dont understand how a real movement works, its not a mass of strangers flocking together out of nowhere

Its a person helping another and inspiring them to do the same and make everyone grow and improve, learn to respect and follow each other, actual support

Human interaction

Have them believe in a better tomorrow

I mean look at those gun control marches, freedom marches, antifa rallies, that free Tommy Robinson

Its not gonna do anything in the long run, they did their thing, some media reported on it, and now you dont hear anything about it anymore

its not easy though, i think something holding a lot of people back is that weve all become a lot more excentric coupled with also not really being taught as much how to be social, if your parents never talked to the neighbers damnsight sure you probably wont ever feel an inclanation to either

people dont think they can get along with people around them because they dont have anything in common