All media in general isn't very good\

well what i'm saying is that pre-1995 anime wasn't very good either

things, in general, are not very good

Man, I have been turning into an anime amish man... I have been mostly reverting to watching pre-2014 anime. it is not like I do it for old anime elitism considering I watched Kekko Kamen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOwKFaDUSKM

it's jsut that you don't remember the bad anime from that time period because it was so long ago

it sacrifices all the advantages it ever had, to the point where Western cartoons supercede it **generally** speaking

i would definitely disagree with that

western cartoons are, in general, very bad

So are a lot of anime.

i think in [current year] the only western cartoon that holds up when compared to anime is gumball

Anime is, in general, worse. <- Is my argument

I'm sorry Cwow but you really don't seem to know much about the history of anime

i watch a lot of anime, and always have, and i have never seen any decrease in overall quality of anime

90% of it has always been shit

worse by what standards?

Yeah, but when I was in middle school it was all so cool 😦

the real difference now is that these days 100% of anime reaches a western audience

I specifically chose the cutoff point in mid 90's, since you can definitely make the argument 70's anime is better than 70's cartoons

By the growing standards that come from not being a child anymore

80's anime better than 80's cartoons

when early 90's anime only ever left japan if it was already really successful

90's anime better than 90's cartoons... When viewed as a whole, looking at the entire industry... NOW you run into arguments

if anything i would say the opposite. western cartoons are what has seen a huge decline

while anime has remained fairly consistent in terms of overall quality

I could agree with that. It's nice that they're embracing continuous storylines, but most cartoons today really do suck in comparison to most of the 90's

There's still some quality cartoons though, but they tend to have some really weak parts to go along with the good

you just mentioned Gumball, it's been running for, what, 5 years? give or take? minimum 3 years but I'd hazard a guess and say 6 years

what anime comes even close to that?

lots of long running series

tons of them

Run time is what measures quality? Turns out modern Simpsons is great

but anime has a much bigger focus on shorter stories that can be contained and wrapped up

whereas western cartoons want to be able to go on forever

Yeah Western entertainment feels a lot more corperate to me

if we take out the Big Guns, we get shit like MLP that has been running for some 160 22 minute episodes across 8 years

and then end when it is no longer economically viable to keep producing

yeah that's what I was initailly getting at

gumball's survived this long because it's a diamond in the rough

and that's just how our cartoon market works out

Anime, also operates on a model of commissioning as series by season.

>gumball's survived this long because it's a diamond in the rough
this is a very good point, and sort of what I've been aiming at