I like murray a lot - and he calls himself a neocon

in short:
https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1510469832304.png

that's my issue with Ben.

I've heard about him but not listened to much about Dougles. The most I've heard from him was his Interview by Joe Rogan

I dunno, that does not bother me

Stefan, if you have time try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmvPfbfzX4U

like he hates US intervention in other countries, like what happend when Trump bombed that airstrip

But was suddenly okay, when the US moved their israeli embassy

Except if it is for the Benefit of Israel....

Ginga, he is pro some intervention definately

Or when it comes to millitary contracts with israel

I'm mostly anti War, but that depends on the Situation.

he is pro Iraq intervention

I think the US should go to War with Venezuela and kill the Gouvernment

Thing is: Gaddafi was "The good Guy", Saddam was the best Iraq could have, Assad is the good guy.

And even if I could just ignore those points, I just plain dont like listening to him

Ginga, what is wrong with milirary countracts with Isreal?

Stefan, I agree with that

If it were any other country he will get pissed of.

Like the one with IRan or Egypt

Ginga, depends on the country I guess

Ginga, well - values matter

Just saying nothing you tell me will change my opinion so no point getting defensive over it.

Ginga, Isreal's values align more with Shapiro's values than IRan and Egypt

no sure

He just gives me a bad vibe

thats it

I'm not trying to change your opinion

just trying to understand

The problem with Israel is that it is an Ethnostate.

You can't be for Israel and defend them and deny the White Supremacists their Ethnostate. That's hypocritical.

Stefan, an ethostate with values which align more with the west than most other places in the middle east

I disagree. Even muslims in Israel are treated better than jews in muslim countries

Stefan, well - when you say ethnostate - it's not really about ethnicity as much as it is about being jewish

Palestenians from annexed areas are allowed to join the millitary

Stefan, which while some may view it an ethnicity - its a bit more complicated

Stefan, it is much more of a cultural identity

why are you not @ people @xaivei ?

Yes and in Cases like Ben Shapiro, their alligeance with Israel is more important than the place they were born.

TheLost, I don't want to ping them

Stefan, I dunno - I'm not sure this is my view - but maybe