and birds and mammals are groups of species so far apart entire regions of the brain have had the time to evolve

So they aren't still working on the reptile brain?

so their not.

the reptile brain doesn't have a prefrontal cortex, that part does not exist

Yeah I knew that. But I didn't know birds had evolved past that.

and we are entirely sure the prefrontal cortex does not have sub components that we might find replicated in other advance problem solving species?

obviously we will find components that allow advanced problem solving

in birds

since some are demonstrably capable of such problem solving, the part must be there, wherever it is

but it's NOT the prefrontal cortex, because they haven't evolved that, and we split from birds before it existed

it's like comparing bats and insects, both fly but by completely different means, they evolved flight in parallel

A bet it works almost exactly the same. Evolutionary convergence. Like the squid eye and the human eye.

Yeah, like is said, I don't think it's to do with the architecture of the bird brain coz we'd see more smart birds like yes see many smart mammals. Something special about Corvids.

so you're saying it's the architecture of corvid brains rather than their entire group?

feels a bit like saying the architecture in mammals isn't special, but the architecture in the monkey/ape group is special

since a lot of monkeys are way smarter than the vast majority of mammals, but there are stupid monkeys just like there are stupid corvids

(bluejays for example aren't nearly as clever as crows or ravens)

They don't need to be. they're pretty 😉

Human and Chimps are working pretty much on the same hardware. I don't see anything special between what they look like just how it's use. It's the software that's different.

😉

same style of hardware I'll agree, but one's a gaming PC while the other is a budget office computer

Could have a bunch of rocks rattling around up there, it doesn't matter.

Yeah. Their both running Coffee Lake but ones an i3 and the other an i7

maybe not. scrap that i think.

it's close enough I'd say

parrots are also up there

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1626540/
an interesting read, but TL;DR

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>It is now known that this nomenclature is based on a fallacy; large parts of the avian forebrain are derived, not from the striatum, but from the pallium (figure 1b). Interestingly, the mammalian neocortex is also derived from the pallium (Jarvis & Consortium 2005). This places the avian forebrain into a new light, where bird behaviour may now be explained as an adaptation to solving socio-ecological problems similar to mammals, possessing hardware that is different to mammals, albeit evolved from the same structure. Pepperberg (1999) provides a useful computer analogy when comparing mammalian and avian brains; mammalian brains are like IBM-PCs, whereas avian brains are like Apple Macintoshes; the wiring and processing are different, but the resulting output (i.e. behaviour) is similar.
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Nice how Pepperberg is using computer comparison as well
and in response to tests:
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> The corvid outperforms the parrot, which outperforms the quail, which outperforms the chicken (Gossette et al. 1966)
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corvids may be my favorate birb but you seem to know a lot about them @Crow

yes, I relate to them on a deep, transcendent metaphysical and spiritual level

I have so, so much in common

meaning they're annoying shitstains

#🅱ir🅱posting

Bruh

i like how the bald eagle is just like "fine, hitch a ride."

;^)

Little fuckers

@Crow I was working on the docks once and a hooded crow decided to start hanging around. Word got out and a few days later there were a load of twichers with 100mm lens on the other side of the water. while I'm on my lunch break, 200' in the air throwing it bits on sandwich from 3' away. They are pretty things.

funny how that works