Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-04-18 12:48:59 UTC  

In Germany by far, yes

2020-04-18 12:49:45 UTC  

In most other countries probably about the same with some volatility and ups and downs

2020-04-18 12:50:00 UTC  

If anything countries have become economically more liberal than at any other point in history

2020-04-18 12:50:14 UTC  

Do you think Macron made France less liberal

2020-04-18 12:50:34 UTC  

No, not under laissez-faire markets under Victorian rule oder inside the German Kaiser Reich

2020-04-18 12:50:59 UTC  

The Kaiserreich had a welfare state and strict regulations

2020-04-18 12:51:15 UTC  

What do you mean by liberal? The real sense of the word or the nowadays meaning?

2020-04-18 12:51:17 UTC  

Victorian England was a mercantile empire

2020-04-18 12:51:34 UTC  

The single most impactfull liberalization happened regarding trade

2020-04-18 12:51:45 UTC  

The GATT and WTO being introduced

2020-04-18 12:51:52 UTC  

> The Kaiserreich had a welfare state and strict regulations
@Mr. Nessel
Due to more and more regulations and interventions. Not in the beginning, and even after the state quota remained pretty low

2020-04-18 12:52:17 UTC  

> The GATT and WTO being introduced
@Mr. Nessel
That's not freedom, that's supra governmental regulation

2020-04-18 12:52:24 UTC  

Bismarck was forced to create the welfare state relatively early on

2020-04-18 12:52:43 UTC  

remember Germany only became a country in the 1870s

2020-04-18 12:53:02 UTC  

Yes, that was the problem in the first place

2020-04-18 12:53:07 UTC  

The GATT and WTO forced people to have free trade

2020-04-18 12:53:16 UTC  

That's not free trade

2020-04-18 12:53:21 UTC  

It is

2020-04-18 12:53:31 UTC  

Because it lowered tariffs across the board

2020-04-18 12:53:33 UTC  

That's just convergence of regulations

2020-04-18 12:53:46 UTC  

That's pretty retarded

2020-04-18 12:53:52 UTC  

Yeah, some parts of it have some free trade

2020-04-18 12:54:08 UTC  

No they're exclusively about free trade

2020-04-18 12:54:09 UTC  

But states still don't really care

2020-04-18 12:54:29 UTC  

The GATT is the General agreement on tariff and trade

2020-04-18 12:54:55 UTC  

The WTO the world trade organization which punishes countries for not engaging in free trade

2020-04-18 12:55:15 UTC  

It actually forced Bush to not have steel tariffs for example

2020-04-18 12:55:37 UTC  

Or the EU to let in sugar from Brazil

2020-04-18 12:55:57 UTC  

Whereas prior the EU was subsidizing sugar beets and had tariffs

2020-04-18 12:56:21 UTC  

That is not free trade

2020-04-18 12:56:30 UTC  

Free trade is deregulation

2020-04-18 12:56:39 UTC  

And no tariffs

2020-04-18 12:56:44 UTC  

free trade is trading without tariffs

2020-04-18 12:56:51 UTC  

That's it

2020-04-18 12:56:57 UTC  

Only because you reach some lower tariffs doesn't make it free trade

2020-04-18 12:57:04 UTC  

Yes it's freer than before

2020-04-18 12:57:09 UTC  

But it's not free trade

2020-04-18 12:57:42 UTC  

So you're only willing to call it free trade if literally everything has no tariffs applied to it

2020-04-18 12:57:44 UTC  

And the EU is the worst example with it's mercantilist policies

2020-04-18 12:57:51 UTC  

Because that's a ridiculous threshhold

2020-04-18 12:57:52 UTC  

> So you're only willing to call it free trade if literally everything has no tariffs applied to it
@Mr. Nessel
Yes