Message from @Mr. Nessel
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No reason to rally altruism behind the nation
An issue is that German economic dominance in the currently stable European system is sucking the rest of Europe dry, creating an inherent contradiction in maintaining that structure to preserve peace. It cannot last.
If there’s no mass disillusionment from hordes of Muslims pillaging the country then wtf kind of hope can there possibly be
Germans are brainwashed beyond salvation
I don't see Germany sucking Europe dry
Southern Europe would beg to differ
Southern Europe if anything can object to the Euro
And even then their prior policy was unsustainable
You don't create a sustainable economy by constantly nuking everyone's savings
It promotes short sightedness
Now the 2% inflation rate forces them to be more fiscally responsible
Sure, but being in a free trade zone with Germany, which also dominates the currency, means that it consistently outcompetes the Southern and Eastern states, draining them of capital and labour
Yes Germany outcompetes their manufacturing but it wouldn't eb any different if they were independent
They can't devalue their currency enough to compete on a quality level
Just on costs
And we have China etc. for cheap shit
Labour would move either way too
Because nobody is going to restrict emigration
It would be different because there could be tariffs and government subsidies, they could prioritise their own economies, they could restrict immigration, its bizarre to claim that Greeks and Italians would happily fuck their economy like that if it weren't for the EU
Tariffs become less feasable if you break up the common market
Immigration restrictions are easier to coordinate too on a Schengn wide basis
The issue is that establishments across Europe are thoroughly rotten
Kicking the EU to break into pieces will just give you rotting pieces
I think if Southern Europe and Eastern Europe were in their own versions of the EU they'd do better, but they all become economic vassals to Germany, who needs to prop them up to perpetuate their massive trade surplus
Britain will probably demonstrate this best once out
We had our trade surplus for a while before the EU
Since we're competing on quality, not price having the weaker Euro is pretty much incosequential
In fact it makes things more expensive for us
Anyway overall it was a net benefit for everyone
The EU reinforces bad things in the economy of Europe, of course neoliberals and internationalists would reinforce them anyway, its still an inherent problem with Germany's economic position that it is causing most of the other European economies to decline to barely keep its own going.
There's a reason why even the most ardent euroskeptic parties outside Britain don't actually want to leave
They like the common market at the very least
Afaik eastern Europe's economy is doing more than fine
It's only the countries that overspent consistently which fucked up
And even those are beginning to recover
define eastern Europe
Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, Poland and the Baltics
Lithuania is dying
Actually the emigration trend is declining
Some are starting to return