get a ladder

Just tell all the Germans to read siege

siege is gay

The issue with Germans right now isn't that they're incapable of reaosn or whatever imo but that with the fall of the Soviet Union Germany for the first time in history is pretty much secure
Russia is out of sight and therefore out of mind, our neighbours don't intend to butcher us again so Germans have become complacent

There needs to be a serious disillusionment before the stranglehold of the establishment and left wing can be broken

the water is simply heating too slowly

boiling the german frog

It's not that things need to be hot, it's just that people don't perceive a threat

No external enemies

No reason to rally altruism behind the nation

An issue is that German economic dominance in the currently stable European system is sucking the rest of Europe dry, creating an inherent contradiction in maintaining that structure to preserve peace. It cannot last.

If there’s no mass disillusionment from hordes of Muslims pillaging the country then wtf kind of hope can there possibly be

Germans are brainwashed beyond salvation

I don't see Germany sucking Europe dry

Southern Europe would beg to differ

Southern Europe if anything can object to the Euro

And even then their prior policy was unsustainable

You don't create a sustainable economy by constantly nuking everyone's savings

It promotes short sightedness

Now the 2% inflation rate forces them to be more fiscally responsible

Sure, but being in a free trade zone with Germany, which also dominates the currency, means that it consistently outcompetes the Southern and Eastern states, draining them of capital and labour

Yes Germany outcompetes their manufacturing but it wouldn't eb any different if they were independent

They can't devalue their currency enough to compete on a quality level

Just on costs

And we have China etc. for cheap shit

Labour would move either way too

Because nobody is going to restrict emigration

It would be different because there could be tariffs and government subsidies, they could prioritise their own economies, they could restrict immigration, its bizarre to claim that Greeks and Italians would happily fuck their economy like that if it weren't for the EU

Tariffs become less feasable if you break up the common market

In a way it forces you to do away with protectionism in certain cases

Immigration restrictions are easier to coordinate too on a Schengn wide basis

The issue is that establishments across Europe are thoroughly rotten

Kicking the EU to break into pieces will just give you rotting pieces

I think if Southern Europe and Eastern Europe were in their own versions of the EU they'd do better, but they all become economic vassals to Germany, who needs to prop them up to perpetuate their massive trade surplus

Britain will probably demonstrate this best once out

We had our trade surplus for a while before the EU

Since we're competing on quality, not price having the weaker Euro is pretty much incosequential

In fact it makes things more expensive for us

Anyway overall it was a net benefit for everyone

The EU reinforces bad things in the economy of Europe, of course neoliberals and internationalists would reinforce them anyway, its still an inherent problem with Germany's economic position that it is causing most of the other European economies to decline to barely keep its own going.

There's a reason why even the most ardent euroskeptic parties outside Britain don't actually want to leave