A goldfish isn't a person just because it's alive

Right personhood is just the social recognition of a life like a human life

No

You can just legally take away anyone's personhood but that doesn't change the facts of their being alive etc

Personhood is entirely separate from being alive

Somebody who is braindead is alive

But lacks personhood for the moment

Well you couldn't say "somebody" you'd have to say "something"

A baby can be born and survive outside of the womb earlier than 9 months

In any case if someone is braindead yeah people often revoke their personhood

If a braindead human doesn't ever wake up again you are in essence talking about a corpse

That depends on your values really

So yes it's a thing at that point

Of course I know they sometimes do wake up

But I'm saying if you had perfect knowledge of it

That's just the narcissism of the brain talking

The brain is a very self-obsessed organ

Because it is the most important part of the body

Maybe if you're a liberal :^)

There are many animals who thrive with rudimentary brains and much more important developed organs

Yes but worms do thrive with just a few nerve cells. Do worms posess personhood?

Obviously not

That's because personhood is, god help me, a social construct - we would recognize worm personhood if we socially valued worms or worm* qualities

But we don't

Personhood is not just a social construct

It precedes all social constructs to begin with

We might just be using different definitions

worms are not human

obviously

Right. Worms aren't humans, but presumably Earthworm Jim is a person.

Worms lack a form of higher intelligence and consciousness

I’m the only one with personhood

Personhood might as well be being capable of complex thought, Motor functions etc.

humans have imago dei

I know it's a bit of a wishy washy line

You are all non persons

no

Well if you value higher thought then sure you're motivated to recognize those qualities as the benchmark for personhood because then you can eliminate or suppress those things which run contrary to your values

i know it when i see it

Like killing the braindead to move resources elsewhere

It's entirely predictable behavior