Message from @Skellington

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2020-02-25 23:30:50 UTC  

Maybe if you're a liberal :^)

2020-02-25 23:31:15 UTC  

There are many animals who thrive with rudimentary brains and much more important developed organs

2020-02-25 23:32:10 UTC  

Yes but worms do thrive with just a few nerve cells. Do worms posess personhood?

2020-02-25 23:32:15 UTC  

Obviously not

2020-02-25 23:32:51 UTC  

That's because personhood is, god help me, a social construct - we would recognize worm personhood if we socially valued worms or worm* qualities

2020-02-25 23:32:54 UTC  

But we don't

2020-02-25 23:33:21 UTC  

Personhood is not just a social construct

2020-02-25 23:33:37 UTC  

It precedes all social constructs to begin with

2020-02-25 23:33:53 UTC  

We might just be using different definitions

2020-02-25 23:34:06 UTC  

worms are not human

2020-02-25 23:34:09 UTC  

obviously

2020-02-25 23:34:28 UTC  

Right. Worms aren't humans, but presumably Earthworm Jim is a person.

2020-02-25 23:34:31 UTC  

Worms lack a form of higher intelligence and consciousness

2020-02-25 23:34:37 UTC  

I’m the only one with personhood

2020-02-25 23:34:42 UTC  

Personhood might as well be being capable of complex thought, Motor functions etc.

2020-02-25 23:34:42 UTC  

humans have imago dei

2020-02-25 23:34:58 UTC  

I know it's a bit of a wishy washy line

2020-02-25 23:34:58 UTC  

You are all non persons

2020-02-25 23:35:04 UTC  

no

2020-02-25 23:35:27 UTC  

Well if you value higher thought then sure you're motivated to recognize those qualities as the benchmark for personhood because then you can eliminate or suppress those things which run contrary to your values

2020-02-25 23:35:28 UTC  

i know it when i see it

2020-02-25 23:35:37 UTC  

Like killing the braindead to move resources elsewhere

2020-02-25 23:35:46 UTC  

It's entirely predictable behavior

2020-02-25 23:35:58 UTC  

silly philosophical posturing leads people like peter singer to say that you can kill your 2 year old

2020-02-25 23:36:09 UTC  

I'm the only real person here because cogito ergo sum and I'm just a Boltzmann brain speeding through the cosmos

2020-02-25 23:36:55 UTC  

Well the only real difference between killing a 2 year old and a 1 day old is that one makes your tummy hurt/bothers people instinctively

2020-02-25 23:37:04 UTC  

But there's no principled difference

2020-02-25 23:37:09 UTC  

oh no i can hear it cry

2020-02-25 23:37:13 UTC  

oh no it make me sad

2020-02-25 23:37:15 UTC  

dont kill that

2020-02-25 23:37:24 UTC  

Ok Boltzmann brain I’m actually human you are just chemicals therefore I’m a human

2020-02-25 23:37:40 UTC  

Obviously 1 year olds are already off limit

2020-02-25 23:37:47 UTC  

It's kind of why people will cry about pigs getting slaughtered or whatever but they will eat plants

2020-02-25 23:37:56 UTC  

Either way you're just killing and ingesting something

2020-02-25 23:38:42 UTC  

I will kill a Boltzmann brain

2020-02-25 23:39:52 UTC  

By way of analogy the broader conversation is kind of like the question of "cakehood" and when something becomes a proper cake. I don't think there's any clean line between early cakehood and late cakehood, so it makes more sense to think of it as a spectrum of maturation. Arbitrarily picking any point and calling that the proper cake is untenable.

2020-02-25 23:40:43 UTC  

Anyway I care about potential white people whether or not they already are alive/ppl so I'm against abortion in almost all cases involving white ppl. As far as Africans etc. are concerned they should decide themselves and I'd say it'd be the right choice for them to be against it

2020-02-25 23:43:05 UTC  

Statistically more whites suffer in a civil war scenario so I advocate keeping other races around for inevitable wars in order to minimize white suffering :^)

2020-02-26 02:18:31 UTC  

well i got some supplies for the habbening if coronavirus comes

2020-02-26 02:18:38 UTC  

be responsible kids

2020-02-26 02:52:34 UTC  

Lmao

Apparently my father is stuck doing a play on the Crucible with a bleeding heart Liberal who intends to use the Witch Trials as a metaphor for reproductive rights and feminism

Aside from that he’s also implying that a couple were hanged in the trials specifically because they’re a crossdressing Lesbian couple