Message from @Pictures At An Exhibition
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That too. A month ago I confessed to my priest at a local Cathedral.
I’m at my local church library right now
The best part of the Catholic Church is that it has money and a long history of reverence and study of classical texts
There are probably plenty of Good Books™️ and somebody to talk to you about them
If you know who to ask
Speaking of texts, this arrived a few days ago:
Nice
Can't wait to sink my teeth into this writer. He's apparently a Catholic thinker.
Chesterton is based
Alright what's going on here?.
A while back I also read *The Collected Works of Joseph de Maistre* as translated by Jack Lively.
Very based book.
Not familiar with Maistre
Who dat
I felt that parts of it echoed what Endeavour talks about in his *Lies of the Enlightenment* series.
@Norik French philisophe who was vehemently against the growing liberalism in France circa the French Revolution and wrote a lot of very good essays on his thoughts against liberalism and traditional conservative values.
Ah
Honestly not that familiar with frenchies from that time
Besides the meme ones like Voltaire or Tocqueville
He is one of the many from France who established the intellectual attack on liberalism, believing its faults to be ideological and intellectual rather than simply the roots of a ruthless constitution or war.
@Norik Reading anything from anyone reven remotely associated to the Enlightenment is a big risk imo. There's too much bullshit.
Eh
The Social Contract which Endeavour talks about in his series is one such example I've come to dislike.
It’s overrated by the general population but there’s certainly value to certain ideas
Like property rights
Hobbes’ description of government as the natural order arising from the nature of man is probably right at its core
Why don’t you read siege
@Norik That presupposes that man was able to create civilization out of their want. And to presuppose such a thing is to fall into the trap of liberalism again. We know what Hobbes and Locke didn't back then now, that our ancestors worked in communities and not simply the perfect anarcho-primitivist wet dream. We formed civilizations and became social beings out of a need to survive, not out of a rational intellect. That is simply the divine order of God.
That’s literally Hobbes’ argument in the Leviathan lmao
He argues for monarchy with exactly that framework
Haven't read the Leviathan. If that's the case, Maistre and Hobbes are more similar than they'd comfortably like to believe.
Oh.
I misread your message.
Bruh moment.
I don’t think I’m a liberal, but I do think they’re at least partially right
@EYEFORKNOWLEDGE156 What is siege?
Where Hobbes and his successors went wrong IMO is assuming the equality of men
Which ironically is their only truly Christian opinion
Of course, just because all lives have value and all humans have dignity does not mean they are equal in their abilities
@Pictures At An Exhibition a really bad book that’s basically a meme
It’s a book written by a wignat about how he thinks things should be