Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-04-07 21:09:31 UTC  

(that's what violent conquest tends to look like in the genetic record)

2020-04-07 21:11:55 UTC  

A good way to look at the northern middle east (Turkey, North western Iran north iraq & syria) is as giant genetic bridge of the Caucasoid race (North Africans, Europeans, South Asians).

2020-04-07 21:12:37 UTC  

Yeah I see them as our equivalent to the Bering bridge

2020-04-07 21:13:27 UTC  

I saw an interesting video lecture about the early Indo-Europeans once. The professor joked that you could make the case that the IEs were proto-hippies because they may have cultivated psychedelic drugs, and about 1/4 of Scythian warrior graves were female.

2020-04-07 21:13:55 UTC  

lmao

2020-04-07 21:14:33 UTC  

Idk hunter gatherers and EEF fit more in with it in my mind

2020-04-07 21:14:46 UTC  

hunter gatherers because nature worship and tree huggers

2020-04-07 21:15:23 UTC  

EEF because matriarchal peasants who got conquered by the archetypal conquerer people

2020-04-07 21:15:32 UTC  

Weaklings basically

2020-04-07 21:15:48 UTC  

Yes.

2020-04-07 21:19:02 UTC  

Its time to get your tinfoil out boys.

Coronavirus is a US made bioweapon, released in Iran and behest of the Rockefellers & judes. And now is being exploited to bring about the NWO.

https://youtu.be/antCutjUi0s

2020-04-07 21:19:10 UTC  

It's the cycle of ancient history.
>someone sets up civilization
>civilization gets conquered by nomads
>nomads become civilized

2020-04-07 21:19:35 UTC  

Except pastoralists burned it to the ground

2020-04-07 21:20:00 UTC  

Mongols are similiar too

2020-04-07 21:20:10 UTC  

At least in parts of the empire

2020-04-07 21:20:16 UTC  

Sometimes but not always.

2020-04-07 21:21:43 UTC  

I've been wondering how mobile hunter gathere populations actually were considering certain sites where they lived have evidence for continuous inhabitation which seems like good evidence for distinct territory/hunting grounds

2020-04-07 21:22:40 UTC  

EEF encroached on this slowly
The only really nomadic populations I can think of relied on grazing and were highly violent

2020-04-07 21:23:36 UTC  

Pastoralists are well optimized to win wars against early civilizations but very badly optimized for maintaining control over early civilizations. (limited numbers + highly decentralized organization)

2020-04-07 21:24:14 UTC  

That's why groups like the Suebi just continually comitted genocide on their neighbours afaik

2020-04-07 21:24:20 UTC  

If you can't rule them

2020-04-07 21:24:45 UTC  

As for how mobile hunter gatherers were, no more mobile than they could walk, I would imagine.

2020-04-07 21:24:57 UTC  

Also wondering about the lack of permanent settlements before agriculture because fishing is a thing

2020-04-07 21:24:58 UTC  

@21ooAB sorry mate wont be able to join, was having a game with a budy and its ran over the ideal time, sorry for any fuck about for you

2020-04-07 21:26:00 UTC  

I know that permanent or semi-permanent fishing villages were a thing centuries before the first cities.

2020-04-07 21:29:36 UTC  

The earliest archaeologists thought that the invention agriculture was a sudden thing but it was probably a very gradual process.

2020-04-07 21:31:46 UTC  

I invented agriculture

2020-04-07 21:40:09 UTC  

If I had lived back then I probably wouldn't have bothered with grains and instead planted stuff which was already available like trees which bear fruit

2020-04-07 21:40:28 UTC  

Stuff that doesn't require tilling and can be spaced out

2020-04-07 21:40:47 UTC  

Perfect for low population density environment

2020-04-07 21:42:19 UTC  

Afaik literally what people in the Amazon rainforrest did

2020-04-07 21:42:54 UTC  

As in the forrest is cultivated in many areas even ignoring stuff like Terra Preta

2020-04-07 21:43:23 UTC  

Something last

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/672211350436708356/697199876190109796/unknown.png

2020-04-07 21:43:48 UTC  

But fruit doesn't stay edible for nearly as much time as grains do.

2020-04-07 21:44:36 UTC  

You will not be able to feed yourself through an entire year with just fruit production.

2020-04-07 21:45:32 UTC  

Depends. You can dry fruit which makes it last longer and supplement with meat

2020-04-07 21:46:44 UTC  

And in warmer regions with year round growing conditions you can plant and eat as you need

2020-04-07 21:47:17 UTC  

Unless there's not enough space for it

2020-04-07 21:47:29 UTC  

Space or too much population pressure

2020-04-07 21:48:45 UTC  

Also fish