yeah but the current ruling party is the same

with more zionists and cryptos

Oh, so left-wing collectivism is economic and right-wing collectivism is social. I get it. It kind of makes sense why Oswald Spengler tried the tie Prussian Socialism to the right-wing.

So if the right is about hierarchy and capitalism is about hierarchy why are so many on the far-right like Hitler or Mussolini opposed to capitalism?

@Skeleton capitalism breeds war profiteers

I think the collective/individual dichotomy is a dumb result of 20th century circumstance

@Skeleton capitalism if not controlled introduces lobbies and theird party interests that can and will interfere in countries policies, it leads to worship of money and GDP as end itself for society which in effect is a fertile ground for growth of social pathologies. Small scale capitalism is alright, but large scale capitalism will pretty much always lead to weakening of a nation in their own state. Unless capitalism is under the state's boot (like China) you will always end up on a losing position.

Where the left happened to be communist and the right corporatist

But if you look at say, the French Revolution, the right is absolutist and authoritarian while the left is liberal, and yet they’re both “collectivist” as we would interpret that word today

Ultimately the way I see it the right is about tradition and hierarchy, while left is about progress and equality

All other parameters are functions of environment and historical circumstance

i have to work tommorow fuck me

Hey hey people

@Norik correct take

Wassup peoples

@Dr. Ron /Pol/ pic of the demographic that seems (borderline) incapable of raising children and being fathers

Regarding the Bernie bro vid I think it's unlikely most are going to be converted but a chunk probably will if the dissident right were relevant enough to be in the public's mind
It'd definitely be a transformative process and unlikely to work like with libertarians where they drag a lot of their older notions with them. I don't see it happening at all unless they radicalize in the first place. Imo a demsoc is less likely to switch sides than one who is more authoritarian. That's why you saw a number of communists switch to the Nsdap in Germany but not social democrats to the same degree

Also basically ignore the twitter crowd on this

I don't think most are as invested as the people there

Also you're not going to convert them in person. I don't think arguments etc. about how immigration is hurting workers work because that's not how most people operate

People on the internet and irl are entirely different animal

Most people are conformists and just latch on to an idea cluster

So you aren't going to convince bernie bros or normies in the wider sense using the marketplace of ideas or whatever

I was a Bernie Supporter in 2016 so it is possible but you need to give them a ramp off, appeal to them based on their own arguments. So make Immigration based around Worker Rights, Make them accept that we need assimilation cause Muslims hate gays or something and then slowly but surely work them to being NRX

I don't think that's how most people work

Conformists will hear the arguments and it'll wash off of them

Because there's a herd mentality in most people

Or rather conformist mindset where they trust in their authority to a larger degree than more nonconformist types

So it is crucial to first make them distrust their herd/leader. The moment they become disillusioned they are ready for some new thing to latch on to

I don’t know about that

Most socdem lefties hate the DNC, especially after Bernie’s double cucking

And yet they’re all going to vote for Biden anyway

Or at least enough of them to make the dissidents statistically insignificant

I think a large number will just not vote at all

Because they don't really have that many options left

It's either Biden, Trump or not giving a shit

I think you underestimate Trump-derangement syndrome

Idk how many people actually are that neurotic. I'm sure most that will vote will vote for Biden out of spite for Trump

I think the internet is kind of a schewed sample of people

In the end it really doesn't matter because we don't have the infrastructure in place to capitalize on their frustration to the degree that it's possible