Message from @athene

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2018-07-02 22:15:00 UTC  

i don't think it would be without ai managing all laws and adjusting to basic human rights

2018-07-02 22:15:01 UTC  

Mundane human labor like servants basically.

2018-07-02 22:15:23 UTC  

Illegal Mexican workers are going to start facing competition from legal workers.

2018-07-02 22:15:35 UTC  

Laborers and nannies and gardeners.

2018-07-02 22:16:12 UTC  

And the stay-at-home mom is gonna make a comeback.

2018-07-02 22:16:18 UTC  

if you have nothing to do and you like to be outside you will manage your own garden... many people find it enjoyable

2018-07-02 22:16:37 UTC  

If you can afford to have a garden you have something to do.

2018-07-02 22:16:58 UTC  

The stay at home mom was lost to inflation.

2018-07-02 22:18:21 UTC  

Actually it remains to be seen whether it'll be a stay-at-home mom or a stay-at-home dad that becomes the norm. Men might find themselves out of luck in a job market that places more value on people skills, human touch, and empathy.

2018-07-02 22:19:15 UTC  

sports

2018-07-02 22:20:02 UTC  

There's a saturation point to that market, and nobody wants to pay to see joe average. They want to pay to see people who are 3 standard deviations above the mean.

2018-07-02 22:21:15 UTC  

also i think cops will be replaced with machine you will guide from somewhere else (video game)

2018-07-02 22:22:29 UTC  

In societies today with extreme wealth disparity, traditional police are often supplemented with private security services for wealthy neighborhoods. See South Africa.

2018-07-02 22:26:04 UTC  

so does any of you know how many ppl in the world have at least 1 mil dollars? 10, 20 million? I know there is at least 1k billionairs

2018-07-02 22:27:45 UTC  

1% would be more than 70 mil

2018-07-02 22:29:19 UTC  

~~the top 1% in the United States alone earn around $200,000 a year.~~

2018-07-02 22:31:26 UTC  

465,626 a year is the top 1% as of 2014.

2018-07-02 22:31:53 UTC  

this is aprox 3,5 mil ppl average?

2018-07-02 22:32:50 UTC  

My head hurts too much to find that.

2018-07-02 22:33:17 UTC  

I've been dealing with an infection all day, leading me to vomiting and dizziness all day...

2018-07-02 22:33:41 UTC  

ugh... nvm... my point is... there is a lot of wealthy ppl

2018-07-02 22:33:48 UTC  

sure.

2018-07-02 22:44:32 UTC  

anyway not all have power. But are influential enough

2018-07-02 22:44:35 UTC  

can be

2018-07-02 22:48:04 UTC  

okay, this thread in here seems to have missed a few things.
1) Labor is what creates value. Its out time and effort that is of value. which is why automation is so popular, its cheap. Because it does not labor. The cost of it comes from the labor put into maintaining it. As that gets more and more automated, that gets cheaper to the point of free.
2) if automation gets to a point where basically all our basic needs can be met by machines alone, why does someone need even a UBI? You just have a robot build your house, and visit the local food and drink machine for food and water. Then go to the doc robot.
3) if things are not yet to number 2 standards, where are wealthy people getting their wealth? The same principle applies today that applied when European explores first arrived anywhere. Right now poor people give an equivalent of shinny but useless stones to wealthy people, who view this as "expensive" or "fancy", in exchange for basically left over bread. Their wealth comes from treading something useless to them, in this example table craps, for something they find very valuable, aka the shinny rocks

2018-07-02 22:51:34 UTC  

Grenade's points are actually more eloquently put thoughts that I've had on the subject.

2018-07-02 22:51:38 UTC  

At least one and two are.

2018-07-02 22:52:16 UTC  

There is no magical wealth that comes out of no where in the system. the max wealth of the world is the total number of able body labors - non-able bodies + whatever offset our current tech level allows for.

2018-07-02 22:52:28 UTC  

Part of what I was getting at, referring to it not being comprehensible within any modern economy is well outlined in #2

2018-07-02 22:52:49 UTC  

Labor theory of value is Marxist in origin.

2018-07-02 22:53:09 UTC  

yes, but the problem is, that makes everyone equally poor

2018-07-02 22:53:12 UTC  

Perhaps in words, but it exists innately within capitalism

2018-07-02 22:53:20 UTC  

unspoken.

2018-07-02 22:53:31 UTC  

It exists within supply and demand.

2018-07-02 22:53:54 UTC  

because if you follow Marxist theory, we all basically end up farming for ourselves, getting water for ourselves, and building our own house

2018-07-02 22:54:05 UTC  

The point of automation is to decouple human labor from production. But the means of production is still owned by someone.

2018-07-02 22:54:24 UTC  

what happens when you automate the entire process of making and maintaining a machine?

2018-07-02 22:54:29 UTC  

Which explains why countries that adhere to marxist doctrine appear to move backwards in time...

2018-07-02 22:55:06 UTC  

As was said, the entire point of automation is to make widgets cheaper.

2018-07-02 22:55:14 UTC  

which would ultimately the goal of automation