Message from @Schedrevka
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that would be hilarious for a movie
a billionaire capitalist clones himself to escape death
so yeah... influence yes, but not the kind one would have wanted necessarily
and his clone becomes a communist 😄
One of the interesting parts of the manga 'Gantz' was when a teleporter malfunctioned and didn't delete the person's body but still recreated it elsewhere, so now they have two of the same person, and only one of them actually gets to keep their normal life
heh, exactly.... the tragic irony!
Star Trek did that story too
probably got it from them then
Commander Riker was teleported during some storm on an abandoned base
his teleportation was succesful, and backfired
so a duplicate was left on the station for years
another random debate. would it be unethical to force a clone into slavery?
yes
a clone is stil its own person
mhmmmmm 😉 of course.... would he not be human too?
he/she LOL
If it were genetically modified to have no emotions I think it would change quite a bit, but it might be hard to motivate someone like that to work
i would even argue that an GMO clone born of asexual gender type (born steril w/ no reproductive cellular presence) would still be human w/ natural rights
I think there's a fair argument for it not being human, but that if they think and feel like a human does then they deserve all the same rights
so maybe even kind of humanoids would still have human rights most likey.... natural rights that is
sociopaths arent human to you?
emotion is a small thing for being human
Sociopaths have emotions
psychopath then, whichever is the heartless kind
They do too
not all of them
But really what is 'human' is more about definition than anything else. There's no clear line where one animal becomes another
i'd say genetics
chromosome count
state of sentience
But how different do the genetics have to be?
Humans have variability in all of those cases
its not how different
its how similar
That's the same thing worded differently
no its not
how so?
it has more to do with intellectual capacity for complex reasoning and rationality, ability to communicate linguistically and accept moral agency, etc
if things are similar, you check for overlapping similarities
If you look at the difference, you pick a different category
It is why a whale is a mammal, and not a fish
But then vegetables aren't human(or aren't deserving of rights if that's what you mean)
that AND some common sense.... like AIs and stuff.... purely cybernetics, etc.. clearly not human (common sense)
Yeah, but similarity is just a measurement of difference where you look for smaller amounts of difference