well... my ground rule is basically "2A is stupid, getting rid of it is even dumber" 😉

I would say absolute right to self defense is also part of a free society in and of itself

But then on top of that it's a failsafe

@I AM ERROR so the way it works is a car frame has multiple places to place a vin, 1 visible, 2 not fully visible so it makes it harder to scratch off, the idea with firearms is one on the side as original, then 2 inside the frame where it is visible after disassembly this makes it harder to scratch off numbers, and this should be enabled for all firearm production that requires a serial in general and the technology is already there so this won't be like those stupid "smart gun" rules which is not even there..

"self defense" is using the force needed to defend yourself, the only reason a gun would be acceptable in a self defense scenario is if the attacker also has a gun. i prefer to remove guns from the equation completely.

so if a firearm is used in a crime, they can search the serial in the system and not worried how, oh firearm number is gone, well what to do now..

also self defense was a relatively new idea during the american revolution...

because that was shown as a difference where britain still has a rule of "meet force with exact force" where if a person has a knife, you can only use a knife in defense, in the us, we follow a "don't bring a knife to a gun fight"

oh and... 2A is not an argument in either direction for me (no, it does not matter pro - no, it does not matter that the AR-15 is not explicitly mentioned by name)

Wat

What if someone who is disabled is attacked by someone who has 50+ lbs on them and is extremely fit? Should they let someone kill them because that person doesn't have a gun and it should be a fair fight?

well the argument i had was , cars are regulated, therefore why can't guns be, i mentioned 2A, they said not an argument... iwas like.. well f this...

I just want to point out that the law does not differentiate between different kinds of deadly weapons in the US. So realistically if someone is coming at you with a deadly weapon then use of a firearm is justified.

cars aren't in the constitution

Guns are called 'the great equalizer' for a reason. Woman have good reason to fear a violent man, and a violent man has good reason to fear an armed woman.

plain and simple

^lol i mentioned that, they said not an argument so i gave up on that site being idiots..

why is debate in slowmode, is it really needed @JDM_WAAAT

Yeah the idea of equal force discounts the notion of unequal efficacy in violent conflict

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i hate the "what if an old disabled impoverished grandma has to defend herself" - i would not trust such a person with a gun 😛

When someone chooses to attack someone else outside of the ring they're giving up on any notion of civility or a fair fight

At what point in getting my face smashed in by a trained dude twice my size am I allowed to start using a gun?

it punishes people like me that type multiple lines to make them easy to read instead of one long line...

Lol but they do use them responsibly

slow mode is on so that people actually type out what they want to say instead of just spamming multiple lines

it's only down to 5 seconds now

@@I AM ERROR Who said the person has to have dementia? I am disabled, should I just role over and die if someone wants to harm me?

yeah that should work, I guess.. better 😃

Miss America 1945 iirc defended herself a few years back with a snub nosed pistol

basically, encourage people to put more thought into what they're saying

DONT PUNISH ME FOR QUICK THOUGHT AND TYPING 😃

A little old lady isn't going to get the upper hand against a 30 something fit dude

^unless they have a firearm

If she were a real man she'd beat him in fisticuffs

Aye but that's the point

well my idea is this, get rid of the NFA stamps, if i want a howitzer, i should be able to buy a howitzer...

Can you not?

There are private citizens who own tanks and AA guns

it's no longer considered small arms....

@Schedrevka no, you should defend yourself to the degree allowed by law