we'd have a moonbase by 1980

We could.

We just did have a economic motive to do it

Didn't have one that is.

Humans are not horses, is the main issue with the argument against market solving the problem

It's a gross oversimplification of the issue

I'd argue there's an even deeper issue. Everyone gets this strong AI/human distinction. But it doesn't exist.

Who said anything about it not be an optimal state?

Why would you not want automation to take over.

If I send a person into a field and s/he uses his/her cellphone in the process do I account that to the person or the cell phone?

to fuck over people 😉

That's not the same thing and you know it @pratel

Also the cashier example is funny, considering people are stealing groceries in ways they couldn't before

Yes it is and you know it @Dennafen

If AI is sufficiently powerful, it integrates with humans.

That's not true at all.

Like cell phones integrated with most people rendering some tasks moot.

Like, you don't need to be a skilled navigator anymore.

How has facebook integrated with humans other than to distract and enrage us?

I'd bet most people don't even know what "orienteering" is.

shows us peoples lives

Exactly.

Facebook has "replaced" certain things but enabled others.

No it doesn't it shows peoples fantasies.

And reality doesnt?

You partake in your friends relationship issues?

You snoop through their house without them knowing? look through their mess?

Sometimes actually yes.

The relationship issues not the snooping.

But only when invited, yes?

Depends on if I'm living with them or not.

in reality people show you what they want to show you,

Just like on FB, they show you what they want you to see of them

I should say, in the futuristic future "integrating" with AI happens at a direct physical level, like connecting your brain to a prosthetic. In a near future, it's just walking aroudn with your head buried in your phone.

In reality people think they show you what they want, but they show you much more too.

The point is that it's essentially indistinguishable and common amongst people.

VR!

Evolution and development is inherently multiagent. Since the borg has a hard time innovating and tends to go stagnant.

Okay, you're still not going to have a job.

We must be completely talking past each other.

No, for right now AI is better with us, sure.

Cyborg teams are better than, just AI chess players.

But that's not always going to be the case.