At this point, I think most of the voters the Repubilcans are going to shed will have happened by the end of the midterms, so I'll agree there.

I do think the Democrats will shatter after winning in 2020.

That's an if though, we'll have to see if they can produce a competent candidate.

Because their taste was observably flawed.

I'm looking at you, Mrs.Clinton.

I honestly can't think of a candidate more flawed than Clinton. I don't think it's possible for them to make that mistake again.

Like, literally would be impossible because it doesn't get worse.

If they manage it, it will be a very fun year.

IDK, I'm more focused on the midterms. People badly underestimate how much things like the house and governorships matter.

How the midterms play out will have direct effects on 2020.

Like, Mueller would have a completely free hand and go wild if the Dems take the house.

I don't know much about that, being Canadian. What I do know, is that Trump is the average american president, I still don't get how he's so different to his predecessors

He irritates all the wrong people and doesn't know how to handle his mouth, mostly.

All in all, he doesn't really do that much.

And his positions are fairly centrist, all things considered.

Exactly, he is the model American.

-_- cuz he can't handle his mouth?

about what everybody else expects, to be honest with you. I don't know many people that really care, when americans act like that. It's pretty much how america started, ask someone on the street if they find vandalism wrong, then compare it to the boston tea party. People who run their mouth have a place in this world. And the constitution is built to preserve them.

Personally, I'd like to see a couple more long rifles in that case...

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@pratel nah dude, as an outsider looking in and from what I know of America if the democrats continue leaning into socialism there is 0 chance of the Democrats winning.
ESPECIALLY if the Republicans capitalise on this exact thing and the illiberal nature of socialism/communism.

I'd be inclined to believe you, but we live in unusual times. I've also seen weirder things. Romney in 2012 polled better on basically every issue but still lost hard.

However if this was happening in my country (Australia) socialism would win over liberty because we have no ingrained freedom in my country

and it's slowly being eroded

Trump has incumbency advantage, but that's not a guarantee. Particularly if Mueller succeeds in finding something.

That's actually a scary thing for me. The Schools quit teaching freedom as an ideal about 20 years ago.

Holding office doesn't guarantee shit

It's actually a big part of why I think we're seeing the rise of social justice *now*. We've got a whole generation and a new one that doesn't really prize freedom anymore.

although I don't think there has been a single term presidency for a few decades

freedom is a dead ideology

The last single term was George HW Bush in 1988-1992.

and is why UKIP is rising in the UK

There you go

UKIPs rise in the United Kingdom is one of the most fascinating things I've ever seen in politics

The US has been remade before.

This is true

There is a discussion of secession from the crown happening in Australia right now

It would not be unbelievable that some kind of socialist groundswell could atleast turn it into somethign resembling a commonwealth country.

and that's one of the most frightening things for me to imagine at a time like this

Does the crown really matter that much?

not really