Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-08-07 01:02:13 UTC  

are you asking how i find peace with the fact that i have to pay taxes?

2018-08-07 01:02:26 UTC  

I'm a reformist, I'll remind you.

2018-08-07 01:03:37 UTC  

sorry i dont get the question

2018-08-07 01:04:59 UTC  

it seems hes asking how you ensure that your principles stay as the dominant principles

2018-08-07 01:05:04 UTC  

AnCap and AnCom require what practically amounts to a hive mind to function without war. How do you handle dissenters?

2018-08-07 01:05:34 UTC  

Basically what Blackhawk said.

2018-08-07 01:06:31 UTC  

"handle dissenters"? well if they attack me i hope i have enough numbers on my side for defending against their aggressions to be realistic

2018-08-07 01:07:11 UTC  

you dont really need a hive mind, just some respect for the principles

2018-08-07 01:07:17 UTC  

So, whoever has the most force gets to decide who the dissenters are.

2018-08-07 01:08:04 UTC  

simple force may not be enough

2018-08-07 01:08:23 UTC  

didnt darwin say that the most adaptable wins, not necessarily the strongest

2018-08-07 01:08:50 UTC  

If you end up in a community where 90% of the people want to take the property of the other 10%

2018-08-07 01:09:07 UTC  

if you pay attention you'll notice that war has been decreasing because the warzone has changed, the war is about opinions and beliefs and propaganda now

2018-08-07 01:09:27 UTC  

Poor response. You're still conceding that your property can be entirely lost due to a change in principle.

2018-08-07 01:09:51 UTC  

And that your defense of your own property would violate the NAP according to the claimants.

2018-08-07 01:10:07 UTC  

What grounds would the 10% have to stop them from taking their stuff, aside from violence

2018-08-07 01:10:12 UTC  

defending property would violate nap? no you can kill them in self defense

2018-08-07 01:10:20 UTC  

It's not your property.

2018-08-07 01:10:51 UTC  

i mean i agree that you need enough friends to be a formidable force to defend your rights and principles

2018-08-07 01:11:00 UTC  

i just dont know what you're trying to conclude

2018-08-07 01:11:05 UTC  

Something akin to a governing force for your area?

2018-08-07 01:11:13 UTC  

Some sort of agreements, accords in place

2018-08-07 01:11:16 UTC  

You need an army in other words

2018-08-07 01:11:18 UTC  

or a defense agency or militia yeah

2018-08-07 01:11:33 UTC  

Holy shit, sounds like a state to me.

2018-08-07 01:11:35 UTC  

or just a group of losely organized people with guns

2018-08-07 01:11:40 UTC  

And literally everyone will need these armies to keep their stuff

2018-08-07 01:12:29 UTC  

yeah its not too different from a state, it's just not a monopoly on coercion over a geographical zone and subject to market competition, but yeah other than that it's basically a government

2018-08-07 01:12:32 UTC  

Our Constitution already allows for that.

2018-08-07 01:13:11 UTC  

a lot of ancaps make a strong distinction between a state and a government, they say they actually want a government, but not a state

2018-08-07 01:13:28 UTC  

but i kind of end up using the terms interchangeably

2018-08-07 01:13:50 UTC  

So ancaps change definitions to suit their purposes...

2018-08-07 01:13:57 UTC  

*sigh*

2018-08-07 01:15:30 UTC  

But you do have a monopoloy on force over a certain geographical area

2018-08-07 01:15:33 UTC  

everyone fights over definitions tbh

2018-08-07 01:15:43 UTC  

Otherwise how would you control your property

2018-08-07 01:16:02 UTC  

When in doubt I resort to a dictionary...

2018-08-07 01:16:24 UTC  

yeah thats fair, but statists have an easier time calling dibs on a continent than private actors

2018-08-07 01:17:01 UTC  

```Definition of state
a : a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory; especially : one that is sovereign```

2018-08-07 01:17:14 UTC  

So you arent against states

2018-08-07 01:17:26 UTC  

you just want more smaller ones as opposed to larger ones