Message from @Blackhawk342

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2018-08-07 01:11:00 UTC  

i just dont know what you're trying to conclude

2018-08-07 01:11:05 UTC  

Something akin to a governing force for your area?

2018-08-07 01:11:13 UTC  

Some sort of agreements, accords in place

2018-08-07 01:11:16 UTC  

You need an army in other words

2018-08-07 01:11:18 UTC  

or a defense agency or militia yeah

2018-08-07 01:11:33 UTC  

Holy shit, sounds like a state to me.

2018-08-07 01:11:35 UTC  

or just a group of losely organized people with guns

2018-08-07 01:11:40 UTC  

And literally everyone will need these armies to keep their stuff

2018-08-07 01:12:29 UTC  

yeah its not too different from a state, it's just not a monopoly on coercion over a geographical zone and subject to market competition, but yeah other than that it's basically a government

2018-08-07 01:12:32 UTC  

Our Constitution already allows for that.

2018-08-07 01:13:11 UTC  

a lot of ancaps make a strong distinction between a state and a government, they say they actually want a government, but not a state

2018-08-07 01:13:28 UTC  

but i kind of end up using the terms interchangeably

2018-08-07 01:13:50 UTC  

So ancaps change definitions to suit their purposes...

2018-08-07 01:13:57 UTC  

*sigh*

2018-08-07 01:15:30 UTC  

But you do have a monopoloy on force over a certain geographical area

2018-08-07 01:15:33 UTC  

everyone fights over definitions tbh

2018-08-07 01:15:43 UTC  

Otherwise how would you control your property

2018-08-07 01:16:02 UTC  

When in doubt I resort to a dictionary...

2018-08-07 01:16:24 UTC  

yeah thats fair, but statists have an easier time calling dibs on a continent than private actors

2018-08-07 01:17:01 UTC  

```Definition of state
a : a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory; especially : one that is sovereign```

2018-08-07 01:17:14 UTC  

So you arent against states

2018-08-07 01:17:26 UTC  

you just want more smaller ones as opposed to larger ones

2018-08-07 01:17:38 UTC  

With the US constitution, we came SO DAMNED CLOSE to getting something right.

2018-08-07 01:18:16 UTC  

What we have presently goes entirely against the constitution it's based on

2018-08-07 01:18:35 UTC  

That's why I'm a reformist. I want to see it enforced as it was meant to be.

2018-08-07 01:18:40 UTC  

could we try to avoid semantics a bit

2018-08-07 01:19:22 UTC  

We *could* but that would just be a point for you.

2018-08-07 01:19:30 UTC  

I do understand that you are against the monopoly on force

2018-08-07 01:19:35 UTC  

See, my principles call for a solid set of definitions before conversation can really happen.

2018-08-07 01:19:36 UTC  

lol ok im not your boss

2018-08-07 01:19:51 UTC  

The only thing you can do with monopolies is break them up

2018-08-07 01:20:17 UTC  

Holding companies shouldn't be a thing, for one thing.

2018-08-07 01:20:17 UTC  

im not even sure you could have a solid set of definitions if a language itself is inherently ambiguous

2018-08-07 01:20:39 UTC  

We have books for that.

2018-08-07 01:20:53 UTC  

This game has rules.

2018-08-07 01:20:54 UTC  

yeah and i think market competition breaks up monopolies, while traditional governments causes them to form

2018-08-07 01:21:03 UTC  

DnD has the core rulebook, we have dictionaries.

2018-08-07 01:21:35 UTC  

corporations seems to inherit the monopoly aspect of the state through lobbying and regulatory capture and so on

2018-08-07 01:21:49 UTC  

even government contracting

2018-08-07 01:21:51 UTC  

Oh absolutely. it's disgusting.

2018-08-07 01:22:10 UTC  

When you think of just how much power Google has