Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-08-07 02:24:55 UTC  

Because it's so simple.

2018-08-07 02:25:26 UTC  

i think once you put a government in place and believe in its legitimacy when it is limited, the growth will be unstoppable

2018-08-07 02:26:01 UTC  

But the government is people. It's not alive...

2018-08-07 02:26:20 UTC  

right but the idea grows and the government grows with the idea

2018-08-07 02:26:33 UTC  

What gives it legitimacy is that we choose the people who represent us in it.

2018-08-07 02:26:54 UTC  

history can explain how the u.s. government went from the smallest government in the world to the largest government in the world

2018-08-07 02:27:20 UTC  

they explode like supernovas until they collapse under their own weight, and then the cycle repeats

2018-08-07 02:27:26 UTC  

You're missing a very important point slapping you across the face.

2018-08-07 02:28:23 UTC  

If you had a solution to change culture, you could fix the problems within the system just as easily as you could abolish the system

2018-08-07 02:28:46 UTC  

ok

2018-08-07 02:28:47 UTC  

except the system as it exists already has most of the systems you'd have to set up and suss out.

2018-08-07 02:29:22 UTC  

Trial by not one, but 12 of your peers, chosen equally by the accused and the accuser's representatives

2018-08-07 02:30:27 UTC  

The right to bear arms, form a militia if you so choose, defend yourself and your property

2018-08-07 02:30:44 UTC  

The right to speak as you so choose

2018-08-07 02:31:03 UTC  

No matter which of the sovereign nations you'd be in, these are guaranteed to you.

2018-08-07 02:31:40 UTC  

declaring that you give people these rights (that they already have regardless of what government thinks) doesnt automatically make people find them valuable

2018-08-07 02:31:56 UTC  

Absolutely not.

2018-08-07 02:32:21 UTC  

Also, if you pay particular attention to your bill of rights

2018-08-07 02:32:26 UTC  

the government isn't granting you rights

2018-08-07 02:32:34 UTC  

i feel like this has basically been tried and failed

2018-08-07 02:32:54 UTC  

Anarchy has been tried, and it turned into Ur.

2018-08-07 02:33:10 UTC  

I'd rather not start over, thank you.

2018-08-07 02:33:34 UTC  

well anarcho-primitivism has been tried

2018-08-07 02:33:41 UTC  

and stayed in place for 500 000 years

2018-08-07 02:33:48 UTC  

a success maybe? i dunno

2018-08-07 02:33:59 UTC  

No. Anarchy was the natural starting point.

2018-08-07 02:34:26 UTC  

It wasn't 'tried', no more than you flip a switch to turn the darkness on.

2018-08-07 02:35:35 UTC  

The first state acknowledged property and penalty for depriving one of that property.

2018-08-07 02:36:18 UTC  

the state just turned into a popular property defense agency, except it doesnt really respect it since you dont get to be sovereign on your land

2018-08-07 02:36:20 UTC  

btw, the penalty for burglary was swift death.

2018-08-07 02:38:06 UTC  

And you don't think corporations would do the same thing?

2018-08-07 02:38:28 UTC  

if they did, they would be a de facto government

2018-08-07 02:38:39 UTC  

mmmhmm

2018-08-07 02:38:48 UTC  

We've changed the terms of service, by the way.

2018-08-07 02:39:17 UTC  

You can cancel at any time, but your property is forfeit.

2018-08-07 02:39:31 UTC  

but the difference between a population that supports and believes in it, and a population that rejects it because they equate it with black slavery, it makes quite a big difference

2018-08-07 02:39:46 UTC  

the corporation/government would now have the population as its enemies rather than supporters

2018-08-07 02:40:30 UTC  

They might even have a revolution, eventually, to control that power.

2018-08-07 02:40:50 UTC  

and distribute it to the people under it.

2018-08-07 02:41:09 UTC  

not if they think doing that is immoral

2018-08-07 02:41:30 UTC  

actually i dunno what you mean by control and distribute power