Message from @RyeNorth
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Because it's so simple.
i think once you put a government in place and believe in its legitimacy when it is limited, the growth will be unstoppable
But the government is people. It's not alive...
right but the idea grows and the government grows with the idea
What gives it legitimacy is that we choose the people who represent us in it.
history can explain how the u.s. government went from the smallest government in the world to the largest government in the world
they explode like supernovas until they collapse under their own weight, and then the cycle repeats
You're missing a very important point slapping you across the face.
If you had a solution to change culture, you could fix the problems within the system just as easily as you could abolish the system
ok
except the system as it exists already has most of the systems you'd have to set up and suss out.
Trial by not one, but 12 of your peers, chosen equally by the accused and the accuser's representatives
The right to bear arms, form a militia if you so choose, defend yourself and your property
The right to speak as you so choose
No matter which of the sovereign nations you'd be in, these are guaranteed to you.
declaring that you give people these rights (that they already have regardless of what government thinks) doesnt automatically make people find them valuable
Absolutely not.
Also, if you pay particular attention to your bill of rights
the government isn't granting you rights
i feel like this has basically been tried and failed
I'd rather not start over, thank you.
well anarcho-primitivism has been tried
and stayed in place for 500 000 years
a success maybe? i dunno
No. Anarchy was the natural starting point.
It wasn't 'tried', no more than you flip a switch to turn the darkness on.
The first state acknowledged property and penalty for depriving one of that property.
the state just turned into a popular property defense agency, except it doesnt really respect it since you dont get to be sovereign on your land
btw, the penalty for burglary was swift death.
And you don't think corporations would do the same thing?
if they did, they would be a de facto government
mmmhmm
We've changed the terms of service, by the way.
You can cancel at any time, but your property is forfeit.
but the difference between a population that supports and believes in it, and a population that rejects it because they equate it with black slavery, it makes quite a big difference
the corporation/government would now have the population as its enemies rather than supporters
They might even have a revolution, eventually, to control that power.
and distribute it to the people under it.
not if they think doing that is immoral
actually i dunno what you mean by control and distribute power