Message from @Tal,Karpov,AlekhineAllCoolGuys
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Those monuments are a part of culture/history of the south and they are as a american as it gets
policy wise, some things I agree but some things I disagree on
For better or worse those people fought and died for what they thought would be a better future. The soldiers and leaders deserve to be honored and remembered.
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Though I think that such a truth should not make people forget one of the main causes for the civil war
People who say that the war was about slavery are correct. People who say that the war was about states rights are correct too.
The war was a question: Should the federal government in the US should have enough power to completely ruin the economy of a large portion of the country?
Yeah, I agree, maybe war was necessary; but they commited some atrocities in the name of the federal government that left
the south in ruin
Indeed, which is why the reconstruction was so vital that the North not occupy the south, but help them rebuild and go hands off as much as possible.
There are many people who think that the Union should have occupied the south and forced them to change their ways.
There should have been an operation to revitalise the southern economy
The south being left in ruin leads to a lot of people becoming far right, it was foolish of the north to have banned slavery, ruin the south and then not try fix the southern economy
It leads to political divide
There was no option for most of the south to be revitalized
They were based entirely around slave agricultural cash crops with very little industry or natural resources to go with it
Yeah, but many countries have been reformed drasticaly
I think if the federal government had spent money on building industry there
it would not have been as bad
Whatever they would have built wouldve been overshadowed by the northern version as they had been operating longer doing the same tasks
but that would be quite a complex thing to do
Indeed and its never as simple as it sounds.
I mean it's possible, it's just that it'd be very difficult and I mean very
The issue is that theres nothing to improve and no missing industry
Bro, have you ever heard of Ireland or Singapore?
Came from nothing, almsot no natural resources (Ireland only has some fish)
>Singapore
>no natural resources
It does have almost none though
They import most of their stuff
It's just that they are good with what little they have, same as Ireland
Besides the circumstances are different
Ye I just meant in general
there's got to be a way
Singapore was being industrialized at a point where foreigners were willing to invest heavily in industry
That feeling didnt exist until after world war two. Prior to that all nations wanted as much domestic industry as possible.
Yeah that is a good point I probably should have thought of
Ill have to study Ireland a bit more before i understand how they achieved their current status
Most of my studies has been on the post world war two history of Asian countires
I know a lot about Ireland, It gained its riches from good trade relations, low corporate tax making tons of beef then spent the money gained on educating people and thus also leading in the pharmaceutical industry. Summed up very simplisticly and shortly
Not saying it couldn't be done, but I don't think that what worked for Ireland would be entirely relevant to what could work for the American south. Just Texas alone is 10 times the size of Ireland and a thousand times bigger than Singapore