Message from @Tal,Karpov,AlekhineAllCoolGuys

Discord ID: 486970514762629120


2018-09-05 18:35:38 UTC  

Agree with her one some things and disagree with her on others

2018-09-05 18:36:21 UTC  

For example I am strongly in favor of allowing confederate monuments to stand because of how well the US held itself together post civil war

2018-09-05 18:36:33 UTC  

same, but I completely despise her because of how much money she's gotten off big corporations

2018-09-05 18:36:47 UTC  

Those monuments are a part of culture/history of the south and they are as a american as it gets

2018-09-05 18:36:59 UTC  

policy wise, some things I agree but some things I disagree on

2018-09-05 18:37:27 UTC  

For better or worse those people fought and died for what they thought would be a better future. The soldiers and leaders deserve to be honored and remembered.

2018-09-05 18:37:56 UTC  

^

2018-09-05 18:38:39 UTC  

Though I think that such a truth should not make people forget one of the main causes for the civil war

2018-09-05 18:39:33 UTC  

People who say that the war was about slavery are correct. People who say that the war was about states rights are correct too.

2018-09-05 18:40:43 UTC  

The war was a question: Should the federal government in the US should have enough power to completely ruin the economy of a large portion of the country?

2018-09-05 18:41:16 UTC  

Yeah, I agree, maybe war was necessary; but they commited some atrocities in the name of the federal government that left

2018-09-05 18:41:25 UTC  

the south in ruin

2018-09-05 18:41:53 UTC  

Indeed, which is why the reconstruction was so vital that the North not occupy the south, but help them rebuild and go hands off as much as possible.

2018-09-05 18:42:32 UTC  

There are many people who think that the Union should have occupied the south and forced them to change their ways.

2018-09-05 18:42:54 UTC  

There should have been an operation to revitalise the southern economy

2018-09-05 18:44:07 UTC  

The south being left in ruin leads to a lot of people becoming far right, it was foolish of the north to have banned slavery, ruin the south and then not try fix the southern economy

2018-09-05 18:44:19 UTC  

It leads to political divide

2018-09-05 18:45:42 UTC  

There was no option for most of the south to be revitalized

2018-09-05 18:46:16 UTC  

They were based entirely around slave agricultural cash crops with very little industry or natural resources to go with it

2018-09-05 18:46:37 UTC  

Yeah, but many countries have been reformed drasticaly

2018-09-05 18:46:58 UTC  

I think if the federal government had spent money on building industry there

2018-09-05 18:47:06 UTC  

it would not have been as bad

2018-09-05 18:48:18 UTC  

Whatever they would have built wouldve been overshadowed by the northern version as they had been operating longer doing the same tasks

2018-09-05 18:48:53 UTC  

Not if they spent a long time constantly investing in southern industry

2018-09-05 18:49:24 UTC  

but that would be quite a complex thing to do

2018-09-05 18:51:59 UTC  

Indeed and its never as simple as it sounds.

2018-09-05 18:53:31 UTC  

I mean it's possible, it's just that it'd be very difficult and I mean very

2018-09-05 18:54:50 UTC  

The issue is that theres nothing to improve and no missing industry

2018-09-05 18:57:04 UTC  

Bro, have you ever heard of Ireland or Singapore?

2018-09-05 18:57:20 UTC  

Came from nothing, almsot no natural resources (Ireland only has some fish)

2018-09-05 18:57:54 UTC  

>Singapore
>no natural resources

2018-09-05 18:58:38 UTC  

It does have almost none though

2018-09-05 18:58:47 UTC  

They import most of their stuff

2018-09-05 18:59:02 UTC  

It's just that they are good with what little they have, same as Ireland

2018-09-05 18:59:30 UTC  

Besides the circumstances are different

2018-09-05 18:59:41 UTC  

Ye I just meant in general

2018-09-05 18:59:47 UTC  

there's got to be a way

2018-09-05 18:59:52 UTC  

Singapore was being industrialized at a point where foreigners were willing to invest heavily in industry

2018-09-05 19:00:23 UTC  

That feeling didnt exist until after world war two. Prior to that all nations wanted as much domestic industry as possible.

2018-09-05 19:01:14 UTC  

Yeah that is a good point I probably should have thought of

2018-09-05 19:01:53 UTC  

Ill have to study Ireland a bit more before i understand how they achieved their current status