because public safety

I get where you're going with that, and all, but it's a cultural problem. If you could fix Culture towards a stateless society, you could much more easily control the state as it exists.

yeah i agree

The problem is that the state is not beholden to the people, as it was intended to be.

Our governments should be within reach, not three - or more - steps removed as it is.

well i think we need a culture that doesnt trust so much in politicians

or trust in state competence

You hear people in the Senate demanding that 'Roe v. Wade' be upheld.

Roe v. Wade is a lot more important for them than abortion.

Roe v. Wade establishes that the federal government can dictate shit to the states.

If Roe v. Wade were abolished as piss poor law, the decision would revert back to the states.

i've always been under the impression that the reason the different states even exist is to reduce central power

I bet that's not something a lot of people consider..

A State is a Nation.

In our current incarnation, the United States is supposed to be 50 nations operating in unison.

This is the entire point of a Federation, from which we get our Federal Government

so they should even have a type of sovereignty?

I mean, we've got 51 constitutions within the Nation as we refer to it.

Each State has it's own Constitution.

this makes washington dc seem even more schizophrenic

It absolutely is.

Congress's job is to balance the budget.

The senate's job is oversight

The Executive Branch's job is to manage negotiations overseas and between states

The Supreme Court's job is to sort out disagreements on the word of law.

It's all spelled out in the Constitution.

It's definitely worth reading more than just the amendments in the Constitution.

``Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
``

``To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.``

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When you combine that with the 10th amendment...
``Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
``

You can really start to see where shit went wrong.

lol yeah

And it's worth considering that the Amendments were written AFTER the document was produced. Meaning, their purpose is to clarify the intent.

@RyeNorth if you are a dude the birth defects thing doesn’t apply

So the state of California is saying that women just shouldn't work some jobs?

What is your favorite speeches guys? one of mine is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJzRa7HWVqs

Nigel Farage is great at speaches

Not to get too cliche but it has to be this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAd1WJ9gXo0

Can't get behind that one. I don't care what music you put behind it.

@Tal,Karpov,AlekhineAllCoolGuys - how about this one: https://youtu.be/4Z2uzEM0ugY

@Tal,Karpov,AlekhineAllCoolGuys This is my favourite, though the Nigel Farage one was hilarious. https://youtu.be/vFcn775CqAg