@Vigil "Don't worry guys, we can just keep lying and saying they have no rational basis for their beliefs, and we can intentionally read the book wrong, in ways we actually know they don't, to make them look bad. By doing this, we'll make ourselves more popular than ever!" Yeah, good luck with that.

I'd disagree. Sargon has created a small movement and is out making noise attracting people to his point of view.

He's essentially an activist. And people are talking about him and his ideas (or attacks). As far as activists are concerned, that's success.

Literally when I was Christian I prayed for stuff and when I became atheist I actually started making a difference. I prayed for God's help with my weight but I had to exercise to lose it. I prayed for God's help with my exam results but had to study to pass. I prayed for God's help all my life but God never came through, I did

your wasting your time arguing with an appoligist, an appoligists life is to argue, they live to steal easy victorys from the unconvicted or to out last and beat down the time constrained and the weak of consitution. at best you can be as convicted, durible, and lifeless as they are so that you can waste their time as much as your own. but at that point how much do either of you value it?

Having watched him attack and smear multiple activists, I see that he's done nothing but help make it socially acceptable to criticize feminists. Beyond that, I see no evidence he's any sort of hero or done anything meaningful. I'm not neutral as I've one of the ones he's smeared and slimed, but I'm hnardly the only one.

Also, @MaxKolbe who do you listen to now?

The polls I am referring to indicate that Gen Z is even more atheist (And the millennials were already pretty atheist)

@pratel I really like Tim, I also like Jordan Peterson, Styx, Steve Turley, and a few others.

@MaxKolbe "Yeah, good luck with that. Bringing your facts to a discussion where I'll straw-man and mis-quote you? Ha! Nah, I'm too far committed to this fascist lie about the magic sky judge. I have to protect my fragile ego by assuming everyone who disagrees with me just isn't as knowledgeable or comes from a bad background." Fuck you too, dude, remind me not to address you again if you're gonna be a lying fallacious baby

@pratel They're rigged. Can't trust MSM, they've been down with the anti-Religious agenda for over a decade, ever since the awful New Atheist fad.

Not from my experience.

But that might be the circles I'm in.

@Vigil "fascist lie about the magic sky judge" -- more lies about what other people believe.

You lied about what I did. Only God can judge you, and he's gonna have one doozy of a day when you get to the gates I'll spit on

Again, showing, why people who share your ideology is disliked: you outright lie about and insult people who don't see reality the way you do. Much like a feminist or SJW.

You literally lied multiple times about me prior

maxkolbe is a troll of a different sort, well intintioned, rightious, and may even care about those whos time hes wasting, but in the end he has nothing truly new to say, he just wants to convence you to reconsiter that what you already made your mind up about while politly looking down on you from a position you consiter inferior. feeding on your pride

I have perfectly rational, evidence-based beliefs. Your description of my beliefs does not match reality.

@Vigil Please show even one lie.

You suggested I'm intentionally reading the Bible wrong

@Arch-Fiend isn't that, like 90% of this server?

You also accused me of being a nonbeliever over having "father issues"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Two blatant straw-mans

You asked me to make a guess on something. I did. From your subsequent comments, it looks like my guess was much closer to reality than you like and it hit close to home. But, that's just the impression you give, I could be wrong. [shrug]

Guys, this religion thing really doesn't go anywhere.

Yeah, you're wrong. Again.

its like arguing with a dyslexic national socialist from australia

@Vigil Please show where I m ade any such accusation. I did make a ugess, and it's a scientific one since the scientific data shows clearlyt h at most atheists have father issues.

It's more annoying I can't free you from the comforting lie

Have you taken your joy?

"comfortring lie" -- another faith-based position, and an ideological one. Not particularly rational or logical. But go on, keep trying to co nvince me to ignore the evidence and accept your ideology. Y ou're just like a feminist.

What evidence is there for God, Max?

You keep *saying* there's evidence

"Ignore the evidence"
Provide proof. The bible is the claim, and not proof. Presupposition is not proof

What evidence is there? We have evidence in dozens of places at once. Where would you like to begin, contemporary science or the classical evidence that's never been successfullly refuted by anyone?

Your evidence seems to be that "People generally like to try and make sense of their surroundings" and God for the longest time *was* that explanation

So do you want to start with the classical, or the science?

"one since the scientific data shows clearly that most atheists have father issues." interesting, i'd like to see this study

Scientifically prove that prayers work when prayers have never worked in my life