So here's the thing with religion arguments:

What's the endgame? Suppose you convince someone to go to church. This changes what exactly? What goals have you achieved. Suppose you get some people to quit going to church? Does it matter outside religious holidays?

Meanwhile, no one actually is being convinced because it's all stuff that you really can't quantify or reason about anyways. And you alienate everyone.

Stuff like voting and political systems have far more potential impact.

Personally, I would rather discuss tactics for political mobilization

"I can't be bothered to read books or examine studies. I need you to spoonfeed it to me in ways that I personally will arbitrarily decide whether to accept or reject." No thank you. If you aren't willing to engage serious ideas seriously I have no time for you.

But we seem really big on this religion topic.

Asshole, if you can't explain your own faith you're contradicting the bible

And now everyone's just trading insults.

@Vigil You live in an amoral, repercussionless society because it abandoned God, straight up. The lies you tell yourself about religion and those of us who reject your shalow contempt and willful ignorance give those of us who don't share your worldview no reason to give you m uch respect back.

"Read a whole book because I can't sum up a single point of evidence"

I get along with atheists who aren't hateful jackholes making ludicrous generalizations. I dont' get along with Angry Atheist Identitarians with daddy issues.

or who act like they have daddy issues.

which god has been abandoned to make it amoral? we got plenty to pick from, all claiming to be moral

I was being sarcastic. I am still a moral person without God. In fact I became more moral when I abandoned religion since I stopped being as judgemental

@Grenade123 On the science showing most atheists are fatherless, here:

https://smile.amazon.com/Faith-Fatherless-Psychology-Paul-Vitz-ebook/dp/B00GB97UE8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1536610587&sr=8-1&keywords=faith+of+the+fatherless

Atheists are over 90% male, and over 90% of them have father issues. That's what the science shows. It also shows autistics more likely to be atheist, though that's still a minority of autistics. It also sh ows most grow out of it.

Is that some actual adhom I see?

always nice to be in the 10% of something good i guess

@Vigil If you became "less judgemental" you're not sshowing it much, with all your hateful shallow easily debunked assertions about those of us who reject your worldview.

out of curiosity, does this hold up with your experience of the atheists you have met?

9/10 atheists you have met have father issues?

Oh, yes, it holds with most atheists I've met. Which is lots and lots. It also holds for me. It also holds for a number of former atheists I've had on my show. 😉

I can't say I've done a formal survey of my contacts, but yes, it's very obvious most of them had no fathers or really crap fathers.

Max, you do realise you haven't provided one case for the existence of God? You've just called me an idiot repeatedly and mocked me for not having a father? It's not very Christian of you to make fun of my bad home situation, is it?

get GC in here and we can make a youtube video

And it's what the science data shows.

I don't remember Commandment 11- Thou Shalt Mock Broken Homes

@Vigil I have provided five right here:

https://smile.amazon.com/Five-Proofs-Existence-Edward-Feser-ebook/dp/B0754MJFMG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1536610535&sr=8-1&keywords=five+proofs+of+god

No, Edward Feser provides five there

I have further provided the evidence from Paul VItz's book. I have more if you like.

Do you have any arguments of your own, or are you just a library tannoy system?

@Vigil Yes and they've never been successfully debunked by anyone anywhere, so I suggest you take the time to undertandt hem. What you're showing me now is that you deliberately want to misunderstand, and will simply be abusive and nasty to anyone who disagrees with you. You've been given your evidence, son, now go and look at it and have an adult conversation about it, or, admit this an em otional issue for you not a rational one,.

If he agrees with the argument, even if he's regurgitating it, isn't it still his own since he came to the same conclusion after hearing the evidence?

Don't son me, explain your arguments. I'm not buying a book for an internet debate

Stop hiding behind a book, although I guess you're used to that

LOL I find Digital Physics, Big Bang, NDE data, the moral argument, the historical data, the evolutionary data, and all more than en0ough to satisfy me in my conclusions. What you conclude is up to you, but any claim that I have no evidence, or have given no evidence, or that I am irrational is a false claim.\

We killed god

@cipher\

There is no definitive cause for the Big Bang

@Vigil You are acting like a childish little boy with daddy issues wyho can't be bothered to discuss hard ideas.

Right, I'm kinda about done with you now. I don't think you see the irony, and it's actually sad

Your religious beliefs are being challenged, your worldview being criticized. You can't handle it so you ignore all data and all science that you don't like. Very SJW, very feminist.