Feel free to provide a reference that matches my criteria

"5 proof is no good." Translation: The book I haven't read is BS anyway, because I said so. Also, watch me lie and claim it's not evidence-based."

You guys have fun. Let me know when you want to debrainwash yourself and stop being such creepy l iars.

I was reading through it last night

It's just Aquinas lol

He was "Reading through it."

Yes, as in I didn't bother reading through a whole book that is restating an ancient argument

Yeah, he's just a typical Atheist. Does nothing but lie. Demands proof, when he's given it, just lies about it, and makes it clear he's not even really looked at it. Typical, typical, typical. Th is is why Atheism is dying you know.

"I demand that you read this book about an argument you've already dealt with. If you dont read it you're dishonest"

I have a thousand page restatement of The Origin of Species. If you don't read it you don't understand my position

This is why any reaosnably smart theist can take on a dozen atheists at once and destroy them all. Once you realize they're not confused, they're just hateful and dishonest, and that the vast majority of them are science and history illiterate, you can just laugh at them.

Ah, I remember when I was fifteen.

>believes in essences

>believes he can explain everything materially

How do you definitively know your God is the right one, Max?

<- does not believe

Material things, yes

Like coldness and hotness lol

This conversation is clearly not going to be productive for anyone engaging in it.

Oh yeah, ofc, just wanna see the extent of his cognitive dissonance

Interesting how this has been the only time too

If only this could be reduced to a single factor

There was a much nicer fellow on this morning

Hmmmm 🤔

Atheists always want people to be "nice." What's so funny about that is, they're always hateful and nasty to people, but then whine that the people they're being hateful and abusive towards them are the bad guys.

Didn't Jesus say love your enemies?

Why yes he did. He said lots of things.

"You people are rude, dishonest and insulting"
"Why do atheists want people to be nice?"

Who said I'm not being loving when I point out hateful and abusive bigots who repeatedly lie, which is all that's happened since I got here?

WEW

Fairly certain you mocking me for being poor and fatherless yesterday wasn't very loving

I'm not even your enemy

The most loving act is often to call out liars. I'm still waiting for Beeman to retract a single lie, or apologize for anything.

I'm just a guy who wanted to understand

If I had lied I might have something to retract

You playing offendatron at my statements and liberally rewriting them in your head does not a lie make

"Atheists are over 90% male, and over 90% of them have father issues. That's what the science shows"

guess you didn't say i specifically, but i since you want to attribute to all atheists everything bad about a majority, then following your own precedent, you called me fatherless/haivng child issues

"if you will not respect us and our beliefs, values, and how we would like society set up."

my parents are christian, so claiming i have no respect for them or what they stand for

" has tried replacing religion with Nationalism, it's turned genocidal and either fascist or commie...Secular Atheist regimes have been more murderous in just the last century than alll religions cominbed for the last 2000 years, including Islam"

claiming i'm somehow related to communism and other regimes people religious people have blamed atheist for. (guess blaming jews for that because of Karl Marx wasn't popular after WWII so 'godless commies' sounded better)

"So, again, those of us who are religious have ZERO reason to trust you, your ideas, your proposals, or your desires for society"

claiming i'm not trustworthy and knowing my desires for society

"There goes @Grenade123 lying like a typical Atheist again, completely, about how I treated him, and what I said."

and calling me a liar for calling him out on his own statements.

and i'm the one acting superior and snooty?

I'm sorry if I was rude yesterday. You just upset me, by making rather uncalled-for ad hominem arguments

Your behaviour doesn't excuse my behaviour, though

And for that I truly apologise

@Vigil when did I mock you, in particular? Could you point me to it? And can we have some context? Because I believe what happened is I first simply identfied the scientific reality that most atheists have father issues--and gave references for same--and then had someone start whining that I'd insulted them. Then that same someone later on, after denying having father issues, whined that I'd insulted them--insulted them by giving them social science data--and then admitted to having a broken family. Was that you? Or did I confuse you with someone else?