Message from @Grenade123

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2018-09-12 20:00:24 UTC  

Money is in no way neutral, nor is it representative proportionally to the goods and labour of a nation. You'd be right ages ago, but now the government controls the rate of value increase artificially

2018-09-12 20:00:47 UTC  

Modern cash is fiat based, not output based

2018-09-12 20:01:24 UTC  

And yes, the value of an item is exactly what people will pay for it, no more and no less

2018-09-12 20:01:46 UTC  

hoarding your labor, which is the closest you get to any actual value, is harmful to yourself and those around you as you are not effective at acquiring everything needed to live, and neither are those around you. Those effective at something will produce more results than those around you doing the same task for the same period of time. By shifting focus from being a jack of all trades to a master, more can be produced overall in the same amount of time, allowing buffers to be built up to prep for future problems

2018-09-12 20:01:51 UTC  

Or rate of value decrease rather

2018-09-12 20:02:21 UTC  

Money is "neutral" because everyone will accept it, but its value is pretty much subjective, which is why market prices fluctuate--what people will pay varies.

2018-09-12 20:02:40 UTC  

Rye, if hording money is not a bad thing and everyone does it the money supply dries up and no one can use it so they would start to use something else and your horded money loses value until it it worth nothing.

2018-09-12 20:02:52 UTC  

That's contextually based. I don't accept my wages in Yen, for instance

2018-09-12 20:03:08 UTC  

@Poppy Rider money is nothing, value is what is important.

2018-09-12 20:03:13 UTC  

I know

2018-09-12 20:03:19 UTC  

which is why i asked, hoarding value, or hoarding money.

2018-09-12 20:03:33 UTC  

It is the trust we put into it that gives it value.

2018-09-12 20:03:34 UTC  

unless you are low on cloths, hoarding money doesn't hurt.

2018-09-12 20:03:42 UTC  

He said money

2018-09-12 20:03:47 UTC  

^^

2018-09-12 20:04:01 UTC  

money is cloth like paper

2018-09-12 20:04:34 UTC  

doubt hording bolĂ­var fuerte in Venezuela is hurting anything

2018-09-12 20:04:35 UTC  

I did say money

2018-09-12 20:04:37 UTC  

Paper money has more value than clothe simply coz it's easier to carry and not everyone needs cloths.

2018-09-12 20:04:50 UTC  

fite me

2018-09-12 20:05:30 UTC  

yeah, but its not as durable as cloth

2018-09-12 20:05:33 UTC  

Common currency exists because barter depends on the needs of the person you're trading with

2018-09-12 20:06:05 UTC  

but if you are hoarding value, it means you are taking from others without giving back, which is a drain on the system

2018-09-12 20:06:17 UTC  

currency bypasses that requirement

2018-09-12 20:07:58 UTC  

IF I horde all the money is can the supplier has to make more so there is enough to sever the community. That causes inflation making your cash worth less. If you are just sitting on it, that is.

2018-09-12 20:09:05 UTC  

Why does he have to make more? No exchange has been made that requires that money, no?

2018-09-12 20:10:32 UTC  

If there isn't enough currency is circulation to serve the needs of the community the community will start to use something else untill they stop using the original altogether.

2018-09-12 20:11:02 UTC  

If everyone stopped spending nobody would be buying food

2018-09-12 20:11:16 UTC  

Okay let's break this down though

2018-09-12 20:11:35 UTC  

do i need to pay with money?

2018-09-12 20:11:41 UTC  

There's 1000 dollars in the economy. I hoard 100 dollars of it. Only 900 dollars can be traded

2018-09-12 20:11:44 UTC  

why can't i do something for someone in exchange for food?

2018-09-12 20:11:56 UTC  

^^

2018-09-12 20:12:07 UTC  

Why is the economy going to fail now?

2018-09-12 20:12:18 UTC  

You could, grenade

2018-09-12 20:12:20 UTC  

You can't charge more than someone is willing to pay

2018-09-12 20:12:32 UTC  

Or rather more than anyone is willing

2018-09-12 20:12:43 UTC  

But what reason do you have to do something for someone who has nothing you want?

2018-09-12 20:12:47 UTC  

Or you won't trade

2018-09-12 20:13:23 UTC  

That's the role money fills. It's essentially a shape-shifting good.

2018-09-12 20:14:35 UTC  

Currency would have to scale to what the economy allows