Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-09-12 22:44:49 UTC  

Now that I'm at a computer, and off work now...

2018-09-12 22:45:51 UTC  

To get to the point: In general I'd say that fears and concerns about 'hoarding money' generally stem from a concern for the haves and have nots.

2018-09-12 22:46:36 UTC  

Most people who raise it as a concern are trying to advocate for some means of separating a person from their property.

2018-09-12 22:47:12 UTC  

I'm not one of those 'Taxation is Theft' types

2018-09-12 22:47:24 UTC  

but... it kind of is, in a way.

2018-09-12 22:48:14 UTC  

Imagine if money were substituted for any other goods that can be bought *with* money.

2018-09-12 22:48:50 UTC  

Let's say you farm rice.

2018-09-12 22:49:31 UTC  

You handle your fields entirely on your own. You've purchased grain silos, etc. you've got the means to store as much rice as you like.

2018-09-12 22:50:38 UTC  

Would you argue that, at a certain point, this person's excess rice from farming should be taken from them, based on the fact that they have it and aren't doing anything with it?

2018-09-12 22:51:43 UTC  

Would you argue that they're only entitled to the amount of rice that they need to sustain themselves?

2018-09-12 22:51:54 UTC  

With some here and there for trade?

2018-09-12 22:54:44 UTC  

You can't compere a field of rice that you farm on your own to money. You are not providing a service to aquire that 'wealth' so you aren't taking from the system.

2018-09-12 22:55:29 UTC  

If there is only a certian amount of land to grow the communities wealth then it's a different story.

2018-09-12 22:55:50 UTC  

Ah, so if they own more land than they need

2018-09-12 22:55:57 UTC  

then they might have to give up some of that land.

2018-09-12 22:55:58 UTC  

If this is the case then yes he should only be entitled to his share.

2018-09-12 22:56:35 UTC  

But what if he paid for that land that he grows the rice on?

2018-09-12 22:57:17 UTC  

Then everyoone else was stupid and he is going to pay the price in form a pitch fork up his arse.

2018-09-12 22:57:41 UTC  

Are you justifying that, though?

2018-09-12 22:57:50 UTC  

no.

2018-09-12 22:58:45 UTC  

Currency is a commodity like anything else.

2018-09-12 22:58:50 UTC  

It is either that. He gives it away or takes everyone as a slave.

2018-09-12 22:59:04 UTC  

The only difference is that it's only use is barter for other commodities.

2018-09-12 22:59:52 UTC  

Sometimes the commodity you buy with currency is shares in a company, which in itself is another currency representing a portion of said company's assets and profit.

2018-09-12 23:00:39 UTC  

You can buy other currencies with your own currency.

2018-09-12 23:01:10 UTC  

And the values of those commodities you're exchanging is generally analyzed and agreed upon.

2018-09-12 23:01:17 UTC  

Crypto is largely the same way.

2018-09-12 23:01:55 UTC  

Supply and Demand dictate economics.

2018-09-12 23:02:13 UTC  

Not anything else. not government, even.

2018-09-12 23:02:25 UTC  

Although government has the strings it can pull to manipulate it

2018-09-12 23:02:57 UTC  

If some nation-ending apocalyptic event were to occur tomorrow, like Hillary replacing Trump or something...

2018-09-12 23:03:18 UTC  

There would still be people who would accept USD. It would still have a certain value.

2018-09-12 23:03:44 UTC  

Almost inexplicably

2018-09-12 23:04:13 UTC  

But the core reason is, common currency is a proxy for goods in barter.

2018-09-12 23:04:59 UTC  

I work some on-demand jobs.

2018-09-12 23:05:18 UTC  

If I get a drive for a 30 dollar fare

2018-09-12 23:05:51 UTC  

load it on to my card, and buy 20 dollars of gas with it

2018-09-12 23:06:11 UTC  

Thinking of it as spending money is a basic way of looking at it.

2018-09-12 23:07:16 UTC  

I'm actually spending some fraction of a function of my car's fuel used for the fare, the wear and tear on the car, with the additional factor of my time to refuel that car.

2018-09-12 23:07:43 UTC  

And that is what I'm trading to that gas station for fuel.

2018-09-12 23:08:04 UTC  

Money's just the proxy for that.