Message from @Schedrevka
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@Atkins I must say, among all the ethnicities that could care about white people appropriating their culture, the Japanese are plausibly the least likely.
I like the aspects of car-to-car hailing far more than AI driven cars.
Why couldn't we go down that route instead?
Also, AI-assisted driving I'm semi-fine with as well
As well as technology that can take a driver off the road safely in the event of incapacitation
@Stefan Payne you dropped an article link <#463054787336732683> chat about a death-by-knife. Since german is not my first language. Can you confirm my interpretation.
“A person vocal about immigration issue was found dead in the street in a pool of blood. The forensic investigation ruled it an suicide.”
It seems odd to me that a person would commit suicide with a knife in public.
Also where is the knife in question?
Seth Rich ruled suicide
@4AM_critter 🐉 if I recall, it was ruled a suicide via multiple stab wounds which is fishy.
Is selfishness good, bad, or nuanced?
Focused it can be a good thing for society
Nuanced. Everyone needs some amount of selfishness, and selfishness can also lead to great progress, but the downsides of selfishness are self-evident
EG Convincing a rich SOB that donating a lot of money to a charity gets them in the lime light
Or someone creating some great invention that improves society because they know they'll be famous/rich
Can I get an example where selfishness is bad?
Person A doesn't help others because they want all the money for themselves and not share
How is that bad?
It provides motive for others to be productive members of society
Person B needs a few bucks for food after getting layed off and is looking for work, misses the bus for the job interview and doesn't get the job
I get the empathy. But the couple bucks in this situation doesn't address why person B had all these bad things happen to them.
Selfishness harms others. If everyone is selfish it's going to harm you. Selfishness can be great in the short term for the individual, but if too many people are selfish society weakens.
Go on, I am unfamiliar in how you can say beyond a doubt that it harms.
Well if people take selfishness to its logical extreme, then there's no way to preserve personal liberty, as sooner or later you're goign to be motivated to infringe on others liberties based on your own wnats
This is why we have laws
Well laws can also be perverted to serve the needs of the most powerful selfish people.
Are you being purposefully obtuse on not understanding why selfishness can be bad in order to make an argument, or do you really not believe that it can be bad?
Perverting the laws is a selfish act. So I get that point.
@Schedrevka I see multiple lines of thinking. And am currently exploring the idea of whether it is logical to be 100% selfish.
It is never logical to take a 100% approach, the reason is that not all situations can be helped by one responce
How do you determine 100% selfishness? Is helping an old lady across the street selfish if you think it might improve your standing with an onlooker?
Yeah you want a "critical mass" where people are motivated to great ambitions that they might not be in a 100% egalitarian society
I agree, but by examining the 100% approach and seeing its flaws. We can use that as a basis to help find an optimum %
But not to the point whre the weak have no personal liberty
@Schedrevka if this is your goals this would be a selfish act
I don't believe there is an optimum %. It's always going to be contextual. Society is a chaotic system. And society changes, and what works in one culture won't work in another.
Ok, by examining its flaws we can methodically and consciously understand where selflessness is required for the greater benefit
I don't think we can quantify that sort of thing. It's far too complicated. And what would the end goal be? Writing a rule book and hoping people follow it?
There's a lot of criticism already to study on where the principles of Kant, Betham, Mill, etc break down.
I think it would be perfectly selfish to empower a government that reduced/eliminated the risk of individuals or groups perverting the laws for their own selfish behavior
Yes, it would be selfish to force others to forgo their own selfishness.
It would also be oppressive.
On an individual basis. Determining this for myself will let me know I am acting in both my and societies best interests