Message from @Farscryer

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2018-10-08 14:15:42 UTC  

anything else?

2018-10-08 14:16:38 UTC  

I don't like it because it doesn't describe the subject.

It is contextually unsupportable. Nuclear weapons don't lose effectiveness the more you use them. They also annhilate everything leaving nothing.

A smear campaign relies upon belief which is not as reliable as the physical laws which govern a fission bomb.

2018-10-08 14:16:39 UTC  

The internet is the slowly growing Republican control base. As a whole, from what I have seen, the internet is remarkably right wing or at least right of center.

2018-10-08 14:17:26 UTC  

A better analogy is one that describes the strengths and weaknesses of the subject you're analogizing... in this case a smear campaign.

2018-10-08 14:17:52 UTC  

so can I go with the assumption you don't like the analogy?

2018-10-08 14:17:56 UTC  

My objection is not pedantry.

2018-10-08 14:17:59 UTC  

and that would be it?

2018-10-08 14:18:31 UTC  

Given that your analogy suggested a judgment and informed the rest of your argument, by removing that analogy... we leave your argument without a foundation.

2018-10-08 14:18:55 UTC  

How would you better put his analogy?

2018-10-08 14:19:15 UTC  

glad I wasted all this time writing on this just to have some ACTUALLY pedantic argument about "the effectiveness of nuclear weapon analogies"

2018-10-08 14:19:28 UTC  

I suggested a poison or toxin for which a biological resistance can be built up.

2018-10-08 14:19:35 UTC  

Nuclear weapons are not simply a weapon in and of themselves

2018-10-08 14:19:44 UTC  

They are also a tool of influence

2018-10-08 14:19:51 UTC  

Again, the more frequently they use it, the less well it works.

2018-10-08 14:20:05 UTC  

nuclear weapons don't work that way.

2018-10-08 14:20:08 UTC  

yes and the more frequently you threaten to nuke people the less they think you'll do it

2018-10-08 14:20:35 UTC  

The analogy doesn't work because if they do it... I build up a resistance. I don't build up a resistance to nuking.

2018-10-08 14:20:36 UTC  

and instead of even considering the ACTUAL argument you'll sit here having some silly argument about how nukes work

2018-10-08 14:20:48 UTC  

fine

2018-10-08 14:20:56 UTC  

lets say you replace it with your analogy

2018-10-08 14:21:02 UTC  

Ok, going with the poison analogy, and the build up of resistance... Have you ever considered that there are some poisons powerful enough and fast acting enough as to not allow the build up of said resistance.

2018-10-08 14:21:03 UTC  

now can we talk about the actual argument or no?

2018-10-08 14:21:09 UTC  

No, you're the one making hyperbolic argument suggesting that using effective political tactics = nuclear MAD annhilation.

2018-10-08 14:21:11 UTC  

the difference between business and politics is that a nation must be founded on ideals. Also "the only winning move is not to play" is a perfectly valid statement wrt increased partisanship and idpol taking over the political landscape

2018-10-08 14:21:30 UTC  

@TheDogOfSinope that would require both sides to have nukes. And both sides dont

2018-10-08 14:21:40 UTC  

All respect, Beemann, if you don't play... you concede in politics.

2018-10-08 14:21:44 UTC  

the current trajectory will see the credibility of both sides ultimately destroyed, if it isn't already

2018-10-08 14:22:01 UTC  

@Beemann This.

2018-10-08 14:22:02 UTC  

If I choose to not play the "accuse everyone of rape" game, how do I lose

2018-10-08 14:22:07 UTC  

"if you dont pick a self defeating option you lose lol"
so how are socialists winning seats

2018-10-08 14:22:22 UTC  

As to mutual destruction, that actually will do more to increase scrutny which will profit the republicans more.

2018-10-08 14:22:43 UTC  

@Beemann @TheDogOfSinope yeah this was a waste of time

2018-10-08 14:22:52 UTC  

seems that way, yes

2018-10-08 14:22:55 UTC  

The result of all this infighting is a general weakening of the host system.

2018-10-08 14:22:56 UTC  

The listen and believe stuff is a serious problem. Cynicism at least gets people to check and not be so gullible.

2018-10-08 14:23:12 UTC  

yes and you win the idpol game by not playing it

2018-10-08 14:23:20 UTC  

^

2018-10-08 14:23:25 UTC  

every time you play into the dumb side games, you increase the efficacy of those games

2018-10-08 14:23:31 UTC  

You came to the debate section of an internet discord server.

2018-10-08 14:23:31 UTC  

they're dependent on wide acceptance

2018-10-08 14:23:42 UTC  

that doesnt give you license to make bad faith arguments