Message from @Beemann

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2018-10-18 19:16:59 UTC  

You're misinterpreting what was said.

2018-10-18 19:16:59 UTC  

Apple ad was dumb

2018-10-18 19:18:26 UTC  

The ad is clearly meant to elicit the feeling that the problem is solvable and that they're trying to be objectice

2018-10-18 19:18:57 UTC  

While they had and have "must run" partisan segments

2018-10-18 19:18:57 UTC  

Wewlad.

2018-10-18 19:19:13 UTC  

Looked back to discord and thought I saw live chat. Sorry about that...

2018-10-18 19:19:18 UTC  

Wew

2018-10-18 19:19:43 UTC  

I had scrolled back for a link, I thought you were repeating yourself, lol

2018-10-18 19:19:56 UTC  

The message itself was not partisan.

2018-10-18 19:20:23 UTC  

No, but the org is

2018-10-18 19:20:30 UTC  

So the message by default is?

2018-10-18 19:20:39 UTC  

No, the message is undermined

2018-10-18 19:20:51 UTC  

Just like it was when CNN tried to talk about "facts"

2018-10-18 19:20:56 UTC  

What's the message, then?

2018-10-18 19:21:17 UTC  

"The ad is clearly meant to elicit the feeling that the problem is solvable and that they're trying to be objective"

2018-10-18 19:21:24 UTC  

Or rather the segment

2018-10-18 19:21:41 UTC  

But it is an ad really. Just native advertising

2018-10-18 19:22:37 UTC  

Where did you get that quote?

2018-10-18 19:22:52 UTC  

I said it minutes ago

2018-10-18 19:23:37 UTC  

I don't think it's comparable to a company saying "we're the best at X" either, because that company presumably does X

2018-10-18 19:24:24 UTC  

This is more like saying "PETA is dedicated to rescuing abused animals and giving them better homes" when all they do is keep em around until they can euthanize

2018-10-18 19:24:36 UTC  

And poison people's pets

2018-10-18 19:25:02 UTC  

~~I mean Heaven is a better home, isn't it?~~

2018-10-18 19:25:11 UTC  

If PETA put out a hotline for reporting PETA's animal murder I would laugh in their faces

2018-10-18 19:28:57 UTC  

So, if instead of a paid actor or the CEO of the company, A nationwide chain had an advertising campaign where the franchise owners were expected to promise quality ingredients and service to the customers in [franchise region here], is that brainwashing?

2018-10-18 19:29:27 UTC  

is that specifically unethical?

2018-10-18 19:30:21 UTC  

That's explicitly an ad

2018-10-18 19:38:03 UTC  

Okay, so, if you've got employees, who have it in their job description that they may be required to participate in advertising functions, instead of even the franchise owner being the ones having to do it. Still an advertisement, right?

2018-10-18 19:43:57 UTC  

If you take out ad time on TV and are talking about something you actually do, that is different from putting an ad in your news segment while talking about the importance of objective news on your partisan network

2018-10-18 19:45:21 UTC  

that is an extremely difficult argument to parse, I'm afraid I'd strawman it if I even tried... So many damn qualifiers.

2018-10-18 19:46:07 UTC  

It's because you're trying to connect two distant things

2018-10-18 19:47:03 UTC  

One is an ad that is blatantly an ad, the other passes itself off as news
One is "we sell X" from a company that, more likely than not, sells X, the other is" we should be objective" from a company that is not objective

2018-10-18 19:47:24 UTC  

All news companies think they're objective.

2018-10-18 19:47:32 UTC  

Literally

2018-10-18 19:47:34 UTC  

You go to the restaurant and buy a burger because you've been told it's food, and it is

2018-10-18 19:47:42 UTC  

I don't think they do tbh

2018-10-18 19:48:04 UTC  

I think some employees do, but I don't think the whole org feels they're showing people all the angles

2018-10-18 19:48:04 UTC  

Even the partisans think that their side is objectively right and the other is objectively wrong.

2018-10-18 19:48:58 UTC  

You go to the komonews site, you tell them the Trump Campaign Staffer on their Must-Run said some dumb shit, and they run him again anyway with no changes to the script

2018-10-18 19:49:29 UTC  

How is that anything different from muh apple other than the false promise?

2018-10-18 19:50:00 UTC  

Oh right, CNN was blunt about it being an ad