Message from @Dvir

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2018-10-24 20:17:52 UTC  

That is not true

2018-10-24 20:17:54 UTC  

What you will becomes what is

2018-10-24 20:18:22 UTC  

Free will is the ability to manfest your intentions to the world

2018-10-24 20:18:48 UTC  

You're right, I should've said full free will is absolute control over your being

2018-10-24 20:19:13 UTC  

Which I would argue the regular person has

2018-10-24 20:19:25 UTC  

Can you control when you sweat?

2018-10-24 20:19:42 UTC  

Via my autonomic nervous system, yes

2018-10-24 20:19:52 UTC  

So you do not consciously do it

2018-10-24 20:20:06 UTC  

It is not your choice to sweat

2018-10-24 20:20:41 UTC  

But it is not my intent to overheat, therefore my body automatically does what it ca

2018-10-24 20:21:00 UTC  

I could sit in the heat, or move to the shade

2018-10-24 20:23:49 UTC  

I understand what you're saying, but I am being pedantic for the sake of nullifying deconstructionism. I am being as literal as possible when I say full free will, I am essentially talking about nirvana in a way, where your will and being transcend the environment around you.

2018-10-24 20:25:05 UTC  

If I intended to overheat, my free will allowing me so, I would sit in the heat regardless and sweat

2018-10-24 20:25:10 UTC  

Because as an example there are Buddhist monks who work to master control over their body. A notable case is of certain monks being able to regulate their body temperature through will.

2018-10-24 20:26:09 UTC  

That would mean that through training, people can exert their conscious will into being

2018-10-24 20:27:06 UTC  

Yes

2018-10-24 20:28:14 UTC  

Which would confirm that it is not strictly necessary to seperate the parts of our consciousness

2018-10-24 20:28:30 UTC  

They of course interact with each other

2018-10-24 20:29:05 UTC  

It may be that certain aspects of the same thing are being held as distinct when in actual fact they are the same

2018-10-24 20:30:05 UTC  

What do you mean by them being the same?

2018-10-24 20:30:41 UTC  

Do you not think there a distinct forces that together form consciousness?

2018-10-24 20:30:43 UTC  

Instead of splitting into three aspects of 'consciousness' it is merely consciousness

2018-10-24 20:31:03 UTC  

I have been saying it is one consciousness throughout this entire conversation

2018-10-24 20:31:13 UTC  

One conscious made by three parts

2018-10-24 20:31:22 UTC  

If you have two parts you have no consciousness

2018-10-24 20:32:25 UTC  

I am saying there is one consciousness, being described as having three different parts

2018-10-24 20:32:54 UTC  

Only because we lack the ability to define the distinctions

2018-10-24 20:34:08 UTC  

And that if we have one consciousness, and that the physiological human brain is only capable of suporting a single consciousness, how can we reconcile that our consciousness can join with a God's

2018-10-24 20:35:51 UTC  

I would argue you join with God through the comprehension of the Divine.

2018-10-24 20:36:58 UTC  

That is where the idea of Gnosticism comes from.

2018-10-24 20:37:18 UTC  

Gnosis, insight on the Divine, is what allows one to achieve enlightenment and with it salvation.

2018-10-24 20:39:06 UTC  

But earlier you said that something with a consciousness like our own, you would consider human. Now, the definition we have come to on human consciousness, is not enough. Therefore, logically, either a supernatural consciousness exists, or it does not.

2018-10-24 20:40:06 UTC  

The archetypal Human in Gnosticism is called Anthropos.

2018-10-24 20:41:31 UTC  

Thats just a different way of saying human in Greek

2018-10-24 20:42:46 UTC  

Most Gnostic language is taken from Greek because Gnosticism emerged from Neoplatonic philosophy.

2018-10-24 20:45:00 UTC  

The idea is that the archetypal man is a divine being, and really this doesn't have an affect on factual reality, it is not necessarily supernatural because it is not claiming the divine directly contacts factual reality.

2018-10-24 20:45:30 UTC  

If God's consciousness is corporeal, and untainted by the material world, not tainted by contact with matter, how can a human with a single consciousness contact it?

2018-10-24 20:45:38 UTC  

Let alone become one with t

2018-10-24 20:46:18 UTC  

And, if any humna did do that, or ever did do that, that consciousness would no longer be corporeal