I don't think trade war with China is a bad thing.
We can last longer right now without their stuff, than they can without our demand.

It's not being able to afford to replace your car, leaving you without a way to get to work. It's small business being crushed because they can't get cheap enough steel to compete anymore.

No war is a guarantee win

And sometimes unavoidable

But there will be casualties, and by the end we may very well be left wondering if it was worth it

Hind sight is 20/20

20¢ a pound more for steel isn't gonna put a car buyer on a bicycle.
You'll keep your car longer before replacing it, or buy one with less gizmos in it.

I think this huge trade war alarmist stuff is basically globalists using media to scare ppl because this is lessening their control and profits

I'm just going to watch and see.

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Not much choice in the matter

My area has a lot of steel and aluminum manufacturing and it has helped it grow a little bit considering it was shrinking due to those being the biggest employers

So I have a harder time saying it is bad and cars are already ridiculously expensive

Hey, do you guys think that this server is a bit of an echo chamber on its own?

possibly

for all the talk about people being in their own bubbles, we may very well be in our own bubble on this server

eh, there's a large variation in views
i've seen ppl speak from a left libertarian perspective, ppl defend left liberalism, various brands of right-wingers, and a couple of neonazi conspiracy nutters

the majority seems to be centre-right liberal, but there's room for other views to be expressed so i wouldn't call it a complete echochamber

(there'll always be *some* selection bias, cause tim attracts a particular audience, and many ppl do dislike his views or the atmosphere of the server will simply not be here, but that doesn't make it an echochamber imo)

If you really want I can easily shift left to mix it up. My dad is to the left of Karl fu@king Marx I swear to God. It's my natural home if I want "comfort food". That said, I came here because my previous belief that the vast majority of America thought like me was clear and verifiably wrong. I felt like Tim spoke to me in a way I could reason in my head. So far I haven't seen him say that GLBT people have no right to exist and must be converted or erased. Many venues I just could not enter because they deny my right to individual liberty.

I can find common ground on the right on the topic of individual liberty

And thus, I am reaching out

I wish others on both sides would work to find that common ground and reach out. We might lose the asshat 10-15% on both poles, but we'd be a stronger America for it.

Unfortunately the noisy poles get the press, get the attention, and therefore drive the narrative. We end up with Republicans making their literal highest priority above everything else including basic governance to make Obama a one-term president. And 8 years later we wash-rinse-repeat with the Dems screaming bloody murder to make the same hyperbolic case to make Trump a one-termer.

"Death Panels" ~2010

"supports violence" - 2018

It's past due for regulation of some internet companies and infrastructure to ban censorship. Change my mind.

Be careful what you wish for when you invite government intervention in free enterprise - is all i can really respond with.

Businesses make the best decision they can with stakeholder value in mind

"99% of all data in USA runs through Apple, Google, Twitter, and FB. Their willingness to collaborate with the state in unethical censorship to shape public opinion forfeits their right to be considered private. They are no more private than the Federal Reserve is Federal"

The Libertarian argument that free markets will solve this problem is as of yesterday (Joyent banning Gab) a void argument. Is more government the solution? Probably not - they're not ideal role models for data privacy either. Perhaps a multi-industry oversight committee

There's no conspiracy in publicly-held other than self-interest

So you argue that the government directed that Gab get closed?

And not that publicly held companies made decisions with their valuable brand in mind?

Given he's been in office almost two years, that means Donald Trump had it out for Gab?

No - that's not the argument

I'm listening

Gab was overdue to get killed. And it had the "nazi alternative" problem already.

But it is a canary. We are rapidly approaching something far more dangerous. And realChainLight is right, given how Gab was killed (first it was removed from the Apple and Android stores, then it was successively de-funded and now kicked off by it's service provider) is a template for anything else inconvenient that comes around.

If I thought there was a good alternative to the government I'd propose it. But I'm just not seeing it. Europe is already in on the act on the side of the censors. The US is the last place where the government could be enlisted in support of free expression. Unfortunately, you need a power center. Most people don't care about censorship and when done effectively you never hear of it. The government seems the most natural power center to me.

Yes, give the government the power to decide what is or isn't censorship. That couldn't back fire

The NSA Prism Program which allowed officials to collect material including search history, the content of emails, file transfers and live chats for users of Google, Facebook, Apple and others. @wikileaks @Snowden Have both leaked mountains of data proving that the state and #BigTech collaborate against people and organizations 24/7, 365 days a year.

The people are the enemy of the state

These publishers have coordinated or collaborated the mass “deplatforming” of journalists across multiple platforms who report from their own scripts while bots, scammers, and violent terrorist groups are allowed to stay, is further proof that controlling the narrative is more important than public safety and yes Trump might not come out and say that's his position but there's people in his administration that are working to ensure a the internet is purged of wrongthink