Message from @Doux Sicarioos💎☀⚔
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```that's not really accurate```
I agree with @Beemann on the Star Trek issue. Its true that there is money (again) and personal posession.
There was just one line IIRC, where it was said that there was no money and that was Star Trek 4, where Kirk said that Money was abolished a long time ago...
Yeah I had heard about that but I never watched ST4. TNG references wages and betting, people have their own personal possessions and people own land though. The difference is that most possessions are sentimental and most wealth is used experientially
Theres an episode in TNG where they're trapped in a fictional novel and they make reference to the need to acquire currency, and also when Riker is trying to find the fat Ferengi he is told he needs currency and that they don't have any only materials for trade
TNG mentions personal Property, though IIRC not money.
its DS9 where Money is mentioned (again)
Worf mentions a betting pool in an episode in TNG
That isn't really a contradiction.
It stuck out to me because I had been told that money wasn't a thing in Star Trek
both can be true, no currency but some form of money.
or a Point System, whatever
Whenever they bartered in trade situations it was usually in Latinum or Gold
Ultimately they have a cash equivalent. I doubt an advanced society is barter-paying their military
I think the whole point they're trying to get across in Star Trek is no-one needs currency because of replicators
You can certainly make big deals on that basis, but not small ones
But they evidently have it
Trade in precious metals isnt the same thing as a currency though, since any currency is usually backed by a precious metal which does not depreceate in value
Money is probably for trading with other races tbh edit: Other organizations
So things have monetary value but nobody really cares about that anymore.
The Ferengi trade mostly in Latinum and Gold, and being the space equivelant of a free market I would suggest that they set that standard
"Any currency is usually backed by a precious metal"
This hasn't been the case for decades
If I remember correctly the Euro is gold standard still.
If you invest in precious metals when your currency is weak, you sell it for much more when your currency is strong
That's not the same thing as having money *backed* by precious metals
The value of say, USD and the value of gold are not correlated
Sorry, I said the wrong thing to what I meant then
I meant the value of gold is an abstract somewhat fixed thing, whereas currencies are fluid and subject to change
Oh I guess you're right, there aren't any.
gold is not a fixed thing
especially when buying shares of precious metals and not acquiring the metals physically
Well, arguably the worth of gold is only equivelant to that of whatever currency you are using to purchase it
The value of gold changes depending on demand for gold, which is not fixed
Demand relative to supply, of cojrse
I dont know whether to carry on talking from the Star Trek perspective or not, I think the SciFi applications and real life are completely different of course
You guys are forgetting the role of the IMF's special drawing rights in the post-breton woods world.
SDR is backed by a suite of hard assets.
and in the event of critical monetary failure the IMF is poised to bail out any number of financial institutions.
So yeah, since the 'Nixon Shock' the connection between the USD and gold has been severed.
But it isn't as if the international financial community doesn't use gold as a hedge in the event of global economic instability.
It's a bit messed up.