You can see that's obviously false because families exist, wherein the ideal society functions well

isnt Socialism just the Industrial Factory as the State?

the problem becomes when its mister 30 cal magazine clip deciding what is safe with a gun

Within a family all members have responsibility for each other, even though some members are incompetent or unable or whatever

Members within families are not always able to be responsible for themselves. However people within the family unit adopt responsibility over each other willingly.

Exactly, and the ideal social structure extends it to all of society

There is a key word here that you are not understanding. "Consent." This unit exists willingly.

you assume all families are functional

But the difference between a family and overall society is that you cant know 1 billion people personnally

@Grenade123 thats my point though, these people know nothing about guns and were never asked to know anything about them

You can not expand that ideal social structure without either including consent or losing the ideal factor.

if you take families as a whole, there is a significant potion that don't function. if you expand that to all of society, then you have that potion of society not functioning correctly

at which point, you basically have today's society

Well... for example, I didn't explicitly consent to being a part of my family, and my parents didn't really consent to having me be a part of it.

We simply participate in the family structure as an implicit act.

not everyone does

They willingly help you and accept responsibility for you. If they didn't you would be on the street.

Many people are kicked out of many families.

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For example, I know a single mother who's son was violent and beat her. Under this system she was able to willingly sever her responsibility over her own son.

your parents consent to you being part of your family by giving birth to or adopting you

and not aborting you

there are so many outs for parenthood it's not even funny

Anyways, yeah, Marxism argues that everybody should willingly compassionately give their labour to others.

how is it compassion when you've forced it?

"willingly"

@Beemann Who said anything about force?

It's not willing if you demand it.

Who said anything about demand?

You did in your own words.

marxism advocates the use of force to bring about a marxist system

@>_ Quote me?

@xmrsmoothx My only concern is that some people wont willingly give their labor away

@Beemann "the use of force to bring about X system" is not the same as "the use of force as an intrinsic part of X system"

"Absolutely yes, and marxism definitely advocates for force."

I will gladly.

so how would you fix that

Damn, who can post pictures in here?

@>_ Just copy the text

how do you enforce compassionate, willing sharing when you enforced the system in the first place through violence?

Alright