Message from @Dennafen

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2018-10-31 19:32:58 UTC  

How is the market free if the government tells companies how to run? How is free, contractual decision making anti competitive?

2018-10-31 19:33:04 UTC  

Yes it does, if you're not using the same definitions an argument is just two people yelling into the void.

2018-10-31 19:33:27 UTC  

There are multiple contexts for property, beyond "life liberty and property"

2018-10-31 19:33:34 UTC  

How's the Market free when one Company can blackmail their partners to not use the competition with for example Gaming Names??

2018-10-31 19:33:41 UTC  

Self ownership is the cornerstone of all other rights, I would argue

2018-10-31 19:33:48 UTC  

Government shouldn't tell companies how to run, except when attempting to negate externalities.

2018-10-31 19:33:59 UTC  

Again, Government should prevent abuse from all sides. They are to enforce the rules.

2018-10-31 19:33:59 UTC  

>blackmail their partners
How are they managing that?

2018-10-31 19:34:13 UTC  

If you don't do it, we do not do business with you

2018-10-31 19:34:42 UTC  

Abuse is a real flimsy word there @Stefan Payne .

2018-10-31 19:35:00 UTC  

If we are talking about things like Intel or nVidia, where Monopoly isn't far off, the Gouvernment should watch them and prevent them from abusing their power.

2018-10-31 19:35:19 UTC  

Intel is a monopoly.

2018-10-31 19:35:20 UTC  

>has competitors
>is a monopoly
Pick one

2018-10-31 19:35:27 UTC  

Not close to one.

2018-10-31 19:35:40 UTC  

It is a monopoly.

2018-10-31 19:35:46 UTC  

In what sense?

2018-10-31 19:36:15 UTC  

Every computer chip made is licensed or sold by intel.

2018-10-31 19:36:31 UTC  

Specifically CPU's

2018-10-31 19:37:25 UTC  

When AMD makes a CPU they pay intel a licensing fee for said chip.

2018-10-31 19:39:31 UTC  

Source?

2018-10-31 19:41:22 UTC  

That's from when the deal was going to expire in 2009.

2018-10-31 19:41:48 UTC  

>x86
That's not the only CPU architecture

2018-10-31 19:42:24 UTC  

And it might actually fuck us in the long run to keep using it

2018-10-31 19:42:33 UTC  

Okay, but if you want a desktop, or laptop computer that's what you're getting.

2018-10-31 19:42:43 UTC  

Yes, RISC was better.

2018-10-31 19:42:49 UTC  

But it died.

2018-10-31 19:43:53 UTC  

Do you think standard oil was the only oil company?

2018-10-31 19:44:48 UTC  

See I think the main issue is that unlike a physical monopoly, in which one company can set rates due to lack of feasibility wrt competition, software monopolies are a result of regulation in the first place

2018-10-31 19:45:04 UTC  

Hell, pharmaceutical monopolies are primarily as well

2018-10-31 19:45:32 UTC  

Software monopolies are a result of regulation... what regulation?

2018-10-31 19:45:47 UTC  

Intellectual property law

2018-10-31 19:46:07 UTC  

Patten law?

2018-10-31 19:47:16 UTC  

The fact that you can own an idea (basically indefinitely) necessarily places one company "in charge" of a good chunk of their potential competition, if not all of it outright

2018-10-31 19:48:11 UTC  

Patents can only be maintained for 20 years.

2018-10-31 19:48:18 UTC  

What's worse, many times said company did not actually come up with the idea

2018-10-31 19:48:29 UTC  

Or no, 50 years?

2018-10-31 19:48:42 UTC  

There's more to IP than patents, and IP law is an ever-expanding section of the legal system

2018-10-31 19:48:53 UTC  

No 20 years.

2018-10-31 19:49:09 UTC  

No patens are pretty well settled.

2018-10-31 19:49:26 UTC  

I think you're talking about copyright law.