Message from @Stefan Payne
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He has property rights and the company is a extension of them but it does not have rights itself
How the business is managed and who owns it is a bit more complicated
And the State has sovreign rights...
Elaborate
it has the right to enforce the law for all citizen and to punish the people that violate the law. In some cases throw those people out.
Thats not a right its a purpose we gave it
Just as a company can earn profit it does not have a right to earn profit but its its purpose
Rights are limits placed on the government by the governed
I would argue against that but you probably define rights a different way
The gouvernment still has the right to determine who lives in it and who doesn't.
It has the ability
It doesnt have a right to do that
Not the right
Define rights so I know you are talking about
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A right is something you have and can sue others if they violate it.
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Thats a very collective definition
That means to you rights are fluid
Also society determines the rights
Mine is rights come in these forms that exist from what humans need to live
So life can't be a right because if someone kills you, you can't sue them :^)
Invariably all Rights could be taken away, quite easily.
They must be able to own property think which speech is a extension of this pursue happiness life liberty
These are all requirements of humans survival
Individual, exclusive property is not a survival requirement. Groups have owned property for ages
Sure but people who havent produced relied on the other man who did
Or thought
One can find a cave based on percepts but to build shelter he must think
The people who unfocus their mind and dont think or produce are subhuman to add to that to produce one must be able to think
You don't require all that much beyond the basics to survive though. That's why many traditions last as long as they do- there's no need to change them. It wasn't necessarily to build a car, for instance, even though the impact of automobiles has been massive
@Beemann Except it improved the quality of life
Which we need to survive
Ultimately though rights must be restrictions placed on the larger social order for the sale of the individual
You don't need cars to survive
Well its more complicated
Either way it improves the quality of life
Sure, I'm just pointing out the difference between "necessary to survive" and "an improvement"
I would argue that personal, exclusive property is good, but it isn't necessary for survival