if we doing it because they Export Terror and finance Terrorcells, is it wrong?

^^

If it were to happen as an unfortunate, undesired effect of peacekeeping in the region, that's another issue entirely.

To do so unintentionally is wrong.

We have a right to spend our money where we want. They can start making other stuff if they can get their act together.

If no one needs their oil anymore, how sad. /s

How many Jihadists had connections to Saudis, were member of a Saudi Mosque or financed by them in any way?

I think the US is already outproducing Saudi Arabia.

For now we are, but there is more than enough demand in the world that money is still flowing to the Gulf

Confirmed @DrYuriMom wants to se me in the unemployment lines 😝

If Europe, Japan, China, and US no longer needs oil, problem solved.

Hey Critter, I'm sure you're clever enough to join the new nuclear/hydrogen/electricity economy

Well, we can only compete with Saudi Arabia in the global oil market to reduce other countries' demand for Saudi oil.

Until we can widely promulgate an alternative to oil, money will still flow to people who hate us

I don't even know where to start in responding to your long energy post, 10th.

I'm really interested in your response, Devpav

I've felt this way since 9/11 and I know a lot of other nukes who agree

Solve the terror problem by eliminating the money they use to spread terror

Make oil obsolete

I agree with most of @DrYuriMom for the long term energy plan.
For the short term I support florida oil (biased due to job security)
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Wind and solar are complete fails/scams/boondoggles because of intermittency; if they're not dispatchable, they don't even count as electrical grid supply. Transition to H2 is a complete fail because of all the pre-existing infrastructure for distributing room temperature-liquid transportation fuels. Biofuel production is a complete fail because it can't be scaled up to match industrial petrochemical refining processes.

A trillion dollars could solve the H2 issues you mention. That's how much we've spend on the Iraq boondoggle, and counting...

We're already moving CNG around

That's a trillion dollars wasted to try to convert a transportation system that already runs on liquid fuels.

Just replace CNG/Propane with H2

Is it wasted when the result helps us impoverish the people who hate us?

If we're going to spend the money anyway, spend it in a way that actually solves the problem.

Make oil obsolete

But that's just my perspective on it

I absolutely respect your learned view, devpav

You think a trillion dollars is enough to retrofit (assuming that's possible) 270 million cars to run on H2 instead of liquid fuels?

No. I think it'd have to happen over time as new cars replaced old.

That would give time for the infrastructure to be built. It'll take time for all the nuke plants and surge capacity and H2 generating plants.

But 9/11 was 17 years ago. Imagine if we'd started this conversion back then? We'd be well on our way to weaning ourselves off oil and, with European and Japanese cooperation doing the same thing, cutting off the fuel for Islamic terror - oil money.

If we'd left Saddam in power, we likely would never have seen ISIS

And therefore the Syrian Civil War and the newly activist Iran would have been avoided or blunted

Obama rather intentionally allowed ISIS to grow.

Oh? How so?

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Electric cars didn't take off til there was that oil crisis awhile back

ISIS was created by Obama's pullout from Iraq and neglect afterwards.