There is no extreme Islam, only Islam.

(c) Recep Erdogan

So the only Christians are biblical literalists?

Not the majority of them.

Hey, I didn't say that, that was a Quote from the Turkish Dictator

1/3 of Islamists believe in the death penalty from leaving the faith. That’s 600 million of them. More of them believe in other crazy shit.

Its not the Islamists its the Muslims

Just keep them out of the West and it’s not a problem.

Problem is: We don't shame them, when we should.

Right, which is why they need hefty reform, which was my point

Yeah, but why not convert them to Christianity instead??

people like David Wood, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Brigitte Gabriel should spread the word about "real Islam"

Do you really think it's easier to swap them to another religion than to shift the religion they already follow? Further that's not a foolproof plan anyway

Yes, I do

because there are parts in Muslim Religion that don't allow Reform.

Have you ever debated a Muslim in your life?

There are Christian militias in Africa. The religion isn't magic, it's the philosophy in the west that is the key modifier

I've debated pretty much every group at this point

That was mostly directed at Stefan.

Ah

'Why not convert them to Christianity?' lol.

But yeah the issue is that choices have been made repeatedly, both "there" and "here" that help out the extremist groups. Likely because they're the best for power plays

Even now, a lot of the groups being funded in Syria to fight ISIS are pretty hardcore socialists

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Ask to the volunteers from the US and such that were helping them out, and they will tell you the same shit. But it's much easier to enact change if you fund the violent ideology

```'Why not convert them to Christianity?' lol.```
Yeah, never said it would be easy and I'd suspect that the "Convertrate" is somewhere between 1 and 20%, depending on where they from and what they really (want to) believe....

Less

Especially in the areas you'd want to target

You can at least get the good people away from Islam, wich is a start.
Problem is: You can't convert them in a group because of peer preassure they can't convert.

Leaving Islam often = being killed or ostracized

Yes, because we put too many of those in one place.

In order to even get Muslims to ponder Christianity you have to remove them from a social environment that will punish them severely for apostasy and maybe kill them.

"We put"
They own those regions

Just keep them away from everyone else. No need to attempt to convert them.

```In order to even get Muslims to ponder Christianity you have to remove them from a social environment that will punish them severely for apostasy and maybe kill them.```
Yes, I know that...
Wich is one of the Problems and also Why I said that its impossible to modernize Islam.

Apostasy from Islam is handled like treason because Islam is theocratic at its core.

The solution to the issue of the ME is to stop knocking out their leaders and, if we interfere at all, work toward long term religious reform

Yeah, like Gaddafi and Saddam, they were "the good guys" (well, more or less)

The people have already shown that there's a will to undermine tyranny

They weren't, but creating a power vacuum doesn't help society progress

Their “good guys” aren’t even that good which just shows how pointless it is.