Message from @Stefan Payne
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Oh of course. Destabilizing the Middle East *never* comes back to bite the West in the ass
Also when we try training/arming them so they can fight terrorists they always end up using it against us.
That's because the CIA likes to pick extremist groups
Like it's their weird fetish
See Acts17Apologetics latest Videos....
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They talk about Islam with quoting Islamic Sources....
And its just THAT bad, he also made a video about ISIS
That's not new info though
Basically there's been several points in history where the West could have backed moderates or extremists, and for whatever reason the dudes in charge pick the extremists pretty much every time
There is no extreme Islam, only Islam.
(c) Recep Erdogan
So the only Christians are biblical literalists?
Not the majority of them.
Hey, I didn't say that, that was a Quote from the Turkish Dictator
1/3 of Islamists believe in the death penalty from leaving the faith. That’s 600 million of them. More of them believe in other crazy shit.
Its not the Islamists its the Muslims
Just keep them out of the West and it’s not a problem.
Right, which is why they need hefty reform, which was my point
Yeah, but why not convert them to Christianity instead??
people like David Wood, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Brigitte Gabriel should spread the word about "real Islam"
Do you really think it's easier to swap them to another religion than to shift the religion they already follow? Further that's not a foolproof plan anyway
Yes, I do
because there are parts in Muslim Religion that don't allow Reform.
Have you ever debated a Muslim in your life?
There are Christian militias in Africa. The religion isn't magic, it's the philosophy in the west that is the key modifier
I've debated pretty much every group at this point
That was mostly directed at Stefan.
Ah
'Why not convert them to Christianity?' lol.
But yeah the issue is that choices have been made repeatedly, both "there" and "here" that help out the extremist groups. Likely because they're the best for power plays
Even now, a lot of the groups being funded in Syria to fight ISIS are pretty hardcore socialists
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Ask to the volunteers from the US and such that were helping them out, and they will tell you the same shit. But it's much easier to enact change if you fund the violent ideology
```'Why not convert them to Christianity?' lol.```
Yeah, never said it would be easy and I'd suspect that the "Convertrate" is somewhere between 1 and 20%, depending on where they from and what they really (want to) believe....
Less
Especially in the areas you'd want to target
You can at least get the good people away from Islam, wich is a start.
Problem is: You can't convert them in a group because of peer preassure they can't convert.