Message from @GoldenPhoenix

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2018-12-18 21:46:14 UTC  

Ooh, I get it now. Thanks for that explination!

2018-12-18 21:47:28 UTC  

that would result in only 1 election, rather than at least 2 with the primaries being eliminated, and it picks the "happiest winner" by being the person that the country hates the least, on average, not by picking the candidate who had the highest plurality of "most wanted"

2018-12-18 21:54:28 UTC  

Wow, someone else who identifies as a Rockefeller Republican.

2018-12-18 21:55:26 UTC  

Now kith 💋

2018-12-18 22:00:30 UTC  

that's it? no criticism about my ideas? well then

2018-12-18 22:01:48 UTC  

I'm for ranked fptp, but only on the basis of regional rep

2018-12-18 22:02:27 UTC  

I kind of like the "Draft Elections idea"

2018-12-18 22:02:35 UTC  

So yes to 1st/2nd/3rd voting, but I'd keep the college

2018-12-18 22:03:01 UTC  

I'm not saying get rid of the college, just make it so they have to actually pay attention to their states' voting

2018-12-18 22:03:29 UTC  

gcpgrey has some good videos on voting systems and that's where I got most of this concept

2018-12-18 22:03:42 UTC  

That's a self correcting issue. If a candidate can't be trusted, don't vote for them next time

2018-12-18 22:04:05 UTC  

maybe so, but it seems like an oversight IMO

2018-12-18 22:04:21 UTC  

it opens the door for lazy thinkers to let people stay in power

2018-12-18 22:05:08 UTC  

I don't think that can be designed out without getting authoritarian

2018-12-18 22:05:31 UTC  

the people who want to get rid of the Electoral Colleges are the people who think that City Dwellers are the only ones who can be trusted to be smart enough to vote. That is what the last election taught us.

2018-12-18 22:06:35 UTC  

I have to study up on my electoral college stuff, but it just worries me how far away from the actual election it feels like the population is

2018-12-18 22:08:17 UTC  

and I'll fully admit I'm a city dweller who wasn't really educated much in the point of the college, so... meh

2018-12-18 22:08:18 UTC  

Most states require the colleges to reflect the county vote or the state overall vote. and those are laws that can get the collegates fired and jailed if they violate them

2018-12-18 22:09:34 UTC  

Hence why Comrade Mickeal Moore was offering to pay the fines and legal fees of Collegates to not vote in accordance with the state popular vote (Trump)

2018-12-18 22:12:57 UTC  

I'm very confused about my 5 minute google search about the electoral college

2018-12-18 22:13:57 UTC  

because it seems disingenuous and deceitful to me

2018-12-18 22:16:16 UTC  

Remmember the College was established in the 1790's

2018-12-18 22:17:27 UTC  

How is it either, @GoldenPhoenix ?

2018-12-18 22:18:12 UTC  

A national vote could take months to just to count. So to consolidate and speed it up, The College was formed to take local results and vote up in a smaller more manageable forum and then again up the chain until it was delivered to the Feds as one simple result

2018-12-18 22:19:27 UTC  

It also ensures that regions get properly represented, rather than having 4 cities run the country via bulk votes

2018-12-18 22:20:39 UTC  

Yep, it gives me in Bumble fuck west Texas as great a voice as the asshats in LA, NYC, SF or Chi-raqi

2018-12-18 23:14:39 UTC  

not in what it does, but in how it's formed and all that

2018-12-18 23:15:15 UTC  

apparently it's party tied and voted for by the general election rather than the presidency itself, despite the population making the choice between the candidates, not the representatives

2018-12-18 23:26:04 UTC  

According to my 10 minutes on the internet

2018-12-19 00:55:57 UTC  

So who thinks the Generation Identy stole there logo from Overwatch and who thinks OW stole their logo from GI? Niether https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Lambda+in+circle&atb=v147-6&iax=images&ia=images

2018-12-19 00:58:24 UTC  

Who was first?

2018-12-19 00:59:03 UTC  

GI came first - around 4 Years

2018-12-19 00:59:15 UTC  

So OW stole it from GI

2018-12-19 00:59:28 UTC  

there is no way that GI could have stolen it from OW without Time Travel

2018-12-19 01:00:17 UTC  

Half life used the Lambda years ago, and the borroque era artistis used the Lambda on a Hopis as well

2018-12-19 01:00:40 UTC  

that's where they could have stolen it from

2018-12-19 03:21:08 UTC  

you never know, time travel is always a possibility

2018-12-19 05:50:12 UTC  

you know tim pool brings up an interesting point, and while i don't think that it is anything new, it raises to me an idea that could be something new if anyone decided to back it.

the left wing activists are a large group (relatively speaking) of loud people that show up around the feet of different businesses supporting other businesses through advertising and make themselves appear to be consumers of their products who are threatening to remove themselves as customers of businesses. this tactic is very effective because these activists don't need to actually be consumers of a product for very long or even prove they are consumers they simply need to band together against a product with an ultimatum even if they are just bluffing.

there isint a version of this on the right side of politics, for good reason, we understand this tactic is indecent and underhanded, its against the conservative idea of principles to engage in dishonest activism, and in recent years the lack of honest activism has begun to make the conservative seem to be a nonexistent group to the eye of business. however there's something the conservative could do, a mirror of this tactic which does not rely upon underhanded and dishonest methods. what conservatives could do is organize mass promotion toward advertisers to sponcer products while also counter boycotting companies that do not act in their political favor. now this last action is something we do see a bit of in conservative activism but its very mild still. i think the combined effort working on both sides and actually providing a service to advertisers to actually express to them that the conservative does still exist and have opinions could help spark a growth in both methods. organized action is key though.

2018-12-19 09:20:29 UTC  

I've been saying something similar for over a year now. People just make excuses. The real issue is that the non-left is very good at grousing online and exceedingly bad at *doing* anything. We do a good job arguing with each other about cryptocurrency, but no one NO ONE ever discusses things that can be done to turn the tide. Worse, people make up silly little phrases like 'get woke, go broke' or 'the pendulum always returns back' that essentially excuses the speaker from having to actually DO anything--if we just sit and wait 'the market will restore things to normal.'

Well, I've been saying the center-left and center-right seriously need to organize and start fighting dirty for over a year now. Back when I started here the line was "the social justice warriors are looking crazy, losing the middle and signing their own grave." You don't hear that now. Why? because they aren't losing.

Which gets us to this latest round with Carlson. The left knows *every single* advertiser on that show. Just look at Media Matters, they keep lists. And then they share with Sleeping Giants, who share with /r/politics, who share with Tumblr...Meanwhile, Gamergate can't even keep a straight list of which websites to get reviews from. Buycotts, as you're proposing would work in the short term, but it's likely that companies would just play both sides: benefit from the buycott in the short term, but yield to media matters once the attention dies down.