Message from @Beemann

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2018-12-19 15:59:10 UTC  

The tactics you use have to match the goal you want, ultimately. The "left" wants to get rid of most of these systems, so destructive tactics are A-OK

2018-12-19 15:59:40 UTC  

Once there's nothing else working, they can advocate their shitty non solutions

2018-12-19 16:00:56 UTC  

If you don't want idpol though, for instance, you can't then turn around and use idpol to fight it

2018-12-19 16:01:13 UTC  

would be a good idea to have a stratagy beyond "win against the left" so you make a good point bee

2018-12-19 16:01:28 UTC  

You can pressure them to hold themselves accountable to their own ruleset

2018-12-19 16:01:40 UTC  

I believe that everything is a series of choices, and yes that colors my opinion. I also believe in reactive policy, which is exactly that ^

2018-12-19 16:01:43 UTC  

But going beyond that strengthens the tactic

2018-12-19 16:01:44 UTC  

even my more proactive tactic is ultimately defensive when its spirit is simply "dont lose"

2018-12-19 16:02:18 UTC  

Right. So these idpol commies know roughly what they want, and don't sweat the details

2018-12-19 16:02:34 UTC  

we give them the details and hold them to their own standard

2018-12-19 16:02:41 UTC  

then they see what the problem is

2018-12-19 16:02:46 UTC  

That's been tried. It only sometimes works

2018-12-19 16:02:56 UTC  

not hard enough

2018-12-19 16:03:00 UTC  

though i think the idea of promotion of conservative voices by the masses going to potential business supporters has the potential to go beyond "dont lose" counter boycots dont

2018-12-19 16:03:03 UTC  

It has to be done in the right setting over a long period of time

2018-12-19 16:03:41 UTC  

You might also just end up with more rigid pillarization, to be fair

2018-12-19 16:03:49 UTC  

this is true

2018-12-19 16:04:03 UTC  

I just think that a "don't lose" strategy always loses

2018-12-19 16:04:28 UTC  

This is, FYI, why I advocate some of the things I do. Like consumers yeeting twitter

2018-12-19 16:04:44 UTC  

Decentralization of platforms, better information networks

2018-12-19 16:05:41 UTC  

For all the praise heaped on twitter for online activism and whistleblowing it's basically like searching through piles of shit for flakes of gold

2018-12-19 16:07:14 UTC  

well i also dont exactly fault the predictions that a lot of conservative voices have where were facing a change in the future that no matter what is done now the left will lose. but i also dont like relying on potential inevitability.

2018-12-19 16:08:17 UTC  

I'm not a big fan of letting the cards fall where they may in total. It works for some (limited) things

2018-12-19 16:08:22 UTC  

waiting for them to collapse in on themselves is great and all, I just want to push them a little

2018-12-19 16:08:29 UTC  

I'm a mixed tactics kinds guy really

2018-12-19 16:08:46 UTC  

Ignore these things, fight those things, accelerate that shit there

2018-12-19 16:08:54 UTC  

twitters method of activism is signal boosting basicly. while we call the part of the left that is doing most of the activism the "loud minority" they are still thousands upon thousands of people who all come together at the same time and appear to be people that corporations should listen to

2018-12-19 16:09:23 UTC  

Like the bans ultimately make the platforms weaker

2018-12-19 16:09:34 UTC  

Which is probably why they get so iffy about them

2018-12-19 16:10:06 UTC  

people use your service because other people use your service
ban people they came for
???
profit

2018-12-19 16:10:33 UTC  

honestly if you want to be an accelerationist really the left is still doing you favors, you just have to wait for them to become so unbarible and also wait for the resources globalism relys upon to dry up then you mass organize a violent government reform

2018-12-19 16:10:55 UTC  

Right which is why I'm not for accelerationism on all fronts

2018-12-19 16:11:08 UTC  

only on some

2018-12-19 16:11:10 UTC  

Just on fronts where I feel they're making a huge mistake

2018-12-19 16:11:15 UTC  

strategic fronts

2018-12-19 16:11:34 UTC  

but personally i dont want to wait for that because i know what things look like on the other side, its better than we have now but theres certain deficiency that suck

2018-12-19 16:11:49 UTC  

Allow them to continue hemorrhaging resources+fight on the fronts that are most important

2018-12-19 16:12:12 UTC  

er their resouces are our resources

2018-12-19 16:12:24 UTC  

once oil is gone for them its gone for us

2018-12-19 16:12:37 UTC  

their resources are also people

2018-12-19 16:12:44 UTC  

people will die