People will make places that make it easy to congregate and discuss. The fact that you have distributed hosting won't change that. You'll also tend to have people and organizations that command more respect.

I will say, there's a problem people don't want to address. The world *is* connected now. Local control is better for political independence, but ultimately, with economies of scale, it is very, very hard to play isolationist now.

The fight should not be abandoned simply because the block chain exists. For all of it's permanence, it still has vulnerabilities. So long as a decentralized system is built upon a centralized foundation, there are clear vulnerabilities.

This is the issue I have with the fetishization of Bitcoin and the block chain as Ancap Jesus. It's built several tiers in on centralized systems. It's not finished.

The network infrastructure is still maintained by corporations. Ones that still rely on central banking systems.

Could you point to an instance where anyone said the overall fight should be abandoned? Other than maybe accelerationist Arch

That was a general thought being expressed

Ah

I was addressing a cockiness I've seen in the past when bringing up vulnerabilities in the block chain.

Not necessarily addressing anyone specific, just an attitude that's dangerous in the scenario

My argument is, and has consistently been, that resources should he expended as efficiently as possible. I don't see twitter as a good investment overall. I was simply pointing out the growth of systems wherein hosting is decentralized, which works against central curation

At worst you'll get "only you are hosting your stuff"

And that in itself is a problem. Self reliance still requires participation from an astounding amount of other people.

And yet it's the only real solution to the problem we have that doesn't exacerbate the same issues in other sectors. Maybe we just have to accept that we can't reach all people all the time in an instant

And even at that, the amount of people who think that you host your own stuff at the pleasure of your local jurisdiction is staggering, too.

What do you mean by that exactly?

I mean, if your stuff is hosted from your own system, and that system is taken from you

You've lost everything.

Ah

Right, which is why I'm rather stringent about protection of property, and why I encourage others to be as well

The trouble with tech is that the more you have, the more vulnerable you are.

Oh for sure

How many people could survive if the internet disappeared overnight?

How many wouldn't be able to function?

Probably a lot to be honest. I think most people's "reliance" is superficial

There's a few edge cases where someone would be screwed, and streamers would have to find jobs

Consider that I did not just mean for private use

Did we yeet every backup system and all knowledge of how to operate offline?

Not knowledge. How much is there, though?

Even our phone lines are turning VOIP

Yeah, I find it worrisome.

A lot of the old systems are still kept around for emergencies though, no?

100% uptime cannot be guaranteed

No internet also means cell phones are down.

No credit cards at grocery stores

No synchronized inventory systems

Yep

Banks can't check your balance

it's like after a hurricane

Worse than that

2 of them -_-