and if you think taxes wont exist without government, then what is rent?

Rent is not theft. Social contracts are invalid. There is no problem of monopoly in a free market.

Are you saying in a free market, a monopoly cannot exist, or a monopoly causes no problems in a free market?

if you type halfthink's name into the search on this server i think youll find your answer, also his name is a hint

@Bookworm depends how you define monopoly.

If you define it in a way that it is possible to exist in a free market, then they are not a problem in a free market.

A free market requires no state, though. That doesn't mean no government, just no institution having a monopoly on the provision of government services.

If the government has a monopoly on the legitimate use of force, private property does not exist, except unless you count everything as the private property of the state.

In a statist society, it would make more sense to call property rights property privileges instead.

```free markets arnt the best regulatory policy, we can see clearly that many of the problems we are having right now are due to the free market. in a free market the idea is that people can vote with their wallet, however if the country itself cannot unite against any common threat, meaning that any choice that corporations make that disadvantages one group in society is proportionally supported by another group in society who are against those that the corporation are disadvantaging, voting with your wallet doesn't work, because democracy has also failed at the same time```

Exactly!
You have to see the "free Market" as a game, either a sports game or a computer game.
both show that you need to have some clear rules for it to work well. And if you don't have rules and enforce them, you have people who don't give a shit and at worst kill the opponent to "win the game".

Its the same with the Market. You need to have rules and enforce them hard....

but here is the real Problem: We can't judge Companys with the presumption of innocence. You see that with the Paypal and Subscribestar shit. That looks like Collusion with Patreon. In this case it is better to have them prove that they are innocent and didn't work with Patreon to get rid of a competitor.

Either way, Paypal should be fined as should Patreon in this case because it looks like a Cartel that doesn't allow competition...

I agree

How can the problems that exist now be blamed on a system that isn't what's being implemented?

Because the System how it is right now is exploited hard by the Companys.

@Stefan Payne guilty until proven innocent then?

isn't this already here ? #metoo

*>In this case it is better to have them prove that they are innocent and didn't work with Patreon to get rid of a competitor.*

If there is reason to think that there is some shit going on.

you need to be mean to billion dollar companys

You need to be mean to government. End the fed.

isn't that how the IRS handles it?

The existence of the IRS is Treason.

It is necessary

Necessary for what?

Theft?

So you want Mexico or Canada to come in and take your shit?

Does not follow.

You need the State to protect you from outsiders.

Literally the opposite of what it does.

The IRS is justified by an amendment to the Constitution

Like it or don't like it, but it can't be treasonous

They did pass an Constitutional amendment to be able to do direct taxes and have the agency to handle them.

Constitution itself is Treason

That name reminds me of TheArchFiend

```It is true that the theory of our Constitution is, that all taxes are paid voluntarily; that our government is a mutual insurance company, voluntarily entered into by the people with each other; that each man makes a free and purely voluntary contract with all others who are parties to the Constitution, to pay so much money for so much protection, the same as he does with any other insurance company; and that he is just as free not to be protected, and not to pay any tax, as he is to pay a tax, and be protected.```

```But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact.  The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: Your money, or your life.  And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat.```

```The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the road side, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets.  But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful.```

```The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act.  He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit.  He does not pretend to be anything but a robber.  He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a "protector," and that he takes men's money against their will, merely to enable him to "protect" those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection.  He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these.  Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do.  He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful "sovereign," on account of the "protection" he affords you.  He does not keep "protecting" you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands.  He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villainies as these.  In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.```

```The proceedings of those robbers and murderers, who call themselves "the government," are directly the opposite of these of the single highwayman.```

```In the first place, they do not, like him, make themselves individually known; or, consequently, take upon themselves personally the responsibility of their acts.  On the contrary, they secretly (by secret ballot) designate some one of their number to commit the robbery in their behalf, while they keep themselves practically concealed.

-Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority.```

Representative government is only our collective will as an electorate. The Founding Fathers did not say "taxation is evil" they said "taxation without representation is evil"