Message from @DrYuriMom

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2018-12-29 21:57:19 UTC  

The depression was *four years old* by the time even the intial New Deal policies were just beginning to start

2018-12-29 21:57:50 UTC  

Roosevelt didn't enter office until March of 1933.

2018-12-29 21:57:57 UTC  

What economic schools of thought seriously claim that burning fields and paying people to do unproductive work and keeping salaries artificially high helps clear mal investment?

2018-12-29 21:57:59 UTC  

The stock market plunge was in 1929.

2018-12-29 21:58:16 UTC  

Roosevelt didn't start the New Deal programs

2018-12-29 21:58:40 UTC  

He coined the name

2018-12-29 21:58:56 UTC  

Hoover initiated similar programs

2018-12-29 21:59:21 UTC  

Not nearly as effective. The New Deal created the TVA and the Grade Coulee Dam.

2018-12-29 21:59:32 UTC  

Yes... and after all that things got worse.

2018-12-29 21:59:34 UTC  

The New Deal was not unproductive

2018-12-29 21:59:58 UTC  

Recovering from a Depression is not an easy task

2018-12-29 22:00:45 UTC  

Yes, it is. Let the malinvestments clear.

2018-12-29 22:01:13 UTC  

Coolidge did that in '20 / '21

2018-12-29 22:01:33 UTC  

Major crack boom... cut spending... over in less than 18 months

2018-12-29 22:01:53 UTC  

Not quite sure that it saved the US from revolution but it did help the average citizen a lot

2018-12-29 22:02:17 UTC  

Help them by keeping them in a depression for 10+ years?

2018-12-29 22:02:22 UTC  

World War two was what recovered the country

2018-12-29 22:02:33 UTC  

How's that?

2018-12-29 22:03:00 UTC  

You don't create wealth from war

2018-12-29 22:03:21 UTC  

The US did

2018-12-29 22:03:26 UTC  

Pssh. Clearly you never met Rome.

2018-12-29 22:03:29 UTC  

In the US the government threw contracts at everyone with a plant, built new defense plants and made sure everyone had a job

2018-12-29 22:03:35 UTC  

WW2 and the US was a rather unusual circumstance

2018-12-29 22:03:46 UTC  

Jobs != wealth

2018-12-29 22:03:50 UTC  

War can be incredibly profitable, when you have the advantage.

2018-12-29 22:03:57 UTC  

You built cars but your plant got shut down? Now you have a government contract for 1000 tanks

2018-12-29 22:04:00 UTC  

Paying people to dig and fill ditches is not wealth

2018-12-29 22:04:12 UTC  

WW2 is what ultimately recovered everyone from the Depression, in large measure because of the US

2018-12-29 22:04:14 UTC  

This is basic economics

2018-12-29 22:04:36 UTC  

Government got money from where?

2018-12-29 22:04:46 UTC  

Government takes wealth, it does not create wealth.

2018-12-29 22:04:53 UTC  

Bonds as far as i understand it

2018-12-29 22:04:54 UTC  

Trapexis, the New Deal under Roosevelt was not "make work". Grand Coulee Dam. TVA. Bridges. Lots of infrastructure still in use today.

2018-12-29 22:05:27 UTC  

The New Deal did create wealth. Was it the most efficient method, that can be debated. But it DID create wealth.

2018-12-29 22:05:35 UTC  

Making use of something doesn't mean it wasn't mal investment

2018-12-29 22:05:50 UTC  

It also helped that the US had basically been acting as an arms supplier for the allies and been getting cash in exchange

2018-12-29 22:06:03 UTC  

Unless you're a salmon, the Grand Coulee dam was damn fine investment.

2018-12-29 22:06:07 UTC  

This is econ 101. If the market isn't investing in it it's a mal investment.

2018-12-29 22:06:25 UTC  

TVA - fine investment.

2018-12-29 22:06:27 UTC  

And if the market is investing?