Message from @Arch-Fiend

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2019-01-04 18:39:48 UTC  

" i recognize that the capitalistic system within the united states and other western countries does promote a lifestyle within the population but additionally it seeks to exploit methods of producing what it also promotes demand for in the 1st world by any means necessary including VAST investment into deforestation agriculture."
US and Western/Central Europe are the First World. The idea that the US is causing deforestation in Brazil to produce food that the First World has in excess is absurd

2019-01-04 18:40:47 UTC  

There is less demand in the US for food than there is food. Production of food per person is ludicrous compared to what it was even 100 years ago

2019-01-04 18:41:00 UTC  

We're multiple orders of magnitude more efficient now than we ever were

2019-01-04 18:41:06 UTC  

theres HUGE potential demand in other countrys around the world that the world market that investors are investing into are hoping to unlock with exports from various sources (including sources that burn the most important forest in the world down in order to maintain increased production) and also simply giving it away to subsidized gowning economys that could potentially become paying consumers

2019-01-04 18:43:02 UTC  

Fun fact. Many western medical companies are big investors in south american cattle and pork raising. The reason a lot of the base hormones used in drug production are produced in cattles and pigs glands

2019-01-04 18:43:27 UTC  

Sorry if I come off as know-it-all smart ass

2019-01-04 18:45:31 UTC  

That makes a lot more sense than food production

2019-01-04 18:49:26 UTC  

the north american market is running out of ways to increase profitability domesticly and investment into international markets means increased profits for american investors which is a way for the american economy to contenue growth because investment means money going back to the investor and if the investor is american its money in america but this also means that that production has to go somewhere which @Beemann you bring up with the question of overproduction because YES we overproduce, the way we deal with that problem is that we basicly do ANYTHING we can think of to get rid of our overproduction and even then we often waste around 40% of it, yet consumption of products is still rising and so is production, what we have done is either finding ways to get developed markets to consume more either by the people themselves actually consuming more of it or by getting the population to increase (though that doesent work well in 1st world countries). the other methods we have is simply getting those foreign producers to export abroad and trying to open up new markets for consumption, any way to get more people to demand for products is acceptible, and lastly we do just donate a lot of that which earns good boy points nationally and internationally

2019-01-04 18:51:01 UTC  

the core principle of the market that the united states and eu have is profits must always increase, and they cant increase without consumption of production or reducing the cost of production, we do ANYTHING we can get away with in order to maintain this

2019-01-04 18:53:07 UTC  

So what's the issue with selling to other nations that underproduce? Brazil sells to China, China then focuses their efforts on not-soy, and makes those products cheaper

2019-01-04 18:53:46 UTC  

burning the most important forest in the world to the ground

2019-01-04 18:54:20 UTC  

also increasing methane production

2019-01-04 18:54:31 UTC  

and soil erosion

2019-01-04 18:54:34 UTC  

Well if you're in China you can stop buying soy

2019-01-04 18:54:37 UTC  

Another reason for US meat producers to invest in other places is the EU and other countries ban on American beef, due to the use of estrogen (estradiol beta-2) growth hormones. The EU cap its import of US beef to 1000 metric tons. The new trump deal with EU increases this to 10.000 tons. All must of course be tested and certified to verify it is hormone free

2019-01-04 18:55:31 UTC  

also selling to other nations that underproduce kills any chance of that country ever producing

2019-01-04 18:55:37 UTC  

and underproduction is subjective

2019-01-04 18:56:08 UTC  

Underproduction is based purely on demand, and no nation can produce everything its citizenry could possibly want while making a profit

2019-01-04 18:56:38 UTC  

it is not that these countrys dont produce enough to maintain the survival of their people, its that these nations dont produce enough to maintain a consumption that is more extreme for the individual person and good enough to satisfy the needs of the international market

2019-01-04 18:56:59 UTC  

I wasn't aware that we were meant to go back to subsistence based living

2019-01-04 18:59:18 UTC  

there is a false equivilency that the way you live is completely relitive to every other benefit of the society you live in, technologicaly, socially, and infastructurally. the way people live now is fucking horrible for them regardless of what position they are in the tax bracket. our health is no longer maintained by our choices but insted the accessability of technology that will force us to stay alive to a certain age if we will it to.

2019-01-04 19:00:17 UTC  

The reason that is the production disparities and why I am a free trader
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-xLUS5JGIM this short vid explains that concept in 5min.
The important thing about economic models is to note the always assume no barriers. The phrase โ€œeverything being equalโ€ wich in most cases it is not

2019-01-04 19:00:21 UTC  

the united states and europe are examples of sociatys with an economic system that NEEDs increased profitibility at any excuse

2019-01-04 19:01:02 UTC  

Your health is still maintained by your choices. If you decide to eat like shit and be a landmass-kin, you will still die young. If you take care of yourself you will be better for longer

2019-01-04 19:01:05 UTC  

for a long time our method was to promote increased consumption by the american citizine

2019-01-04 19:01:50 UTC  

were reaching the limit to how that can contenue to be sustainible

2019-01-04 19:02:04 UTC  

well the limit to which that can drive profitibility

2019-01-04 19:02:04 UTC  

Pretty sure soy and beef are related, though. A lot of the soy produced goes toward feeding cattle. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-brazil-nuts-are-helping-protect-the-amazon-rainforest

2019-01-04 19:02:56 UTC  

so were going to promote that in other countrys and exploit more landmass to the ability to meet a demand for that which we promote so that we can maintain increased profits

2019-01-04 19:03:37 UTC  

and politically we will undermine any opposition

2019-01-04 19:04:10 UTC  

we've got to have money

2019-01-04 19:04:57 UTC  

i just wonder if were ever going to get to a point where people shame others for not being fat

2019-01-04 19:05:16 UTC  

because if you arnt fat you are an enemy to our economy

2019-01-04 19:06:40 UTC  

though that will probably be situational, some occupations demand fitness and those occupations are manditory for the economic system to maintain itself so we may never increase or decrease our current obesity

2019-01-04 19:07:03 UTC  

though we could have pushes to be fitfat, fat people who exercize more in order to be able to consume more

2019-01-04 19:07:08 UTC  

Fund fact I learned a couple of years ago. I dont know if it is still true.
For every 12 month
China brings online 100 coal fired power plant
1 million Chinese starts using toilet paper for the first time
600.000 chinese starts eating meat at least once a week

2019-01-04 19:07:31 UTC  

its the american dream

2019-01-04 19:14:20 UTC  

If you're not fat then you're a threat to the food and health care industries.

2019-01-04 19:15:57 UTC  

Millenials are apparently ruining most traditional industries :^)

2019-01-04 19:16:41 UTC  

dont yeet the meat

2019-01-04 19:17:09 UTC  

Domestic meat > soy