Message from @Hydra-ulic

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2019-01-27 20:31:11 UTC  

you can thank the National Firearms Act for that.

2019-01-27 20:32:34 UTC  

It created disticntions between Comercial / private firearms and Law Enforcement/Military Firearms

2019-01-27 20:34:48 UTC  

For all the criticism of multicultural nations a few minutes ago, it sounds like you're all talking about Switzerland.

2019-01-27 20:35:38 UTC  

no, the US second amendment

2019-01-27 20:36:13 UTC  

Oh, I know

2019-01-27 20:36:32 UTC  

But Switzerland does kinda what you're describing

2019-01-27 20:38:24 UTC  

Swiss Confederation's Army's prmary unit is the Militia Regiment.

2019-01-27 20:39:21 UTC  

And being that the Swiss government issues all gear to their conscripts they loan out STGs, body armor and uniforms

2019-01-27 20:40:14 UTC  

Swiss men can buy their STG after service from the government after the fun switch gets pulled.

2019-01-27 20:45:48 UTC  

Since Switzerland doesn't permit private ownership of an unmodified current-issue service rifle (and has other limitations like registration, storage laws, ammunition limitations, etc), their firearms laws are effectively more restrictive than the US.

2019-01-27 20:49:02 UTC  

The Swiss model doesn't make a lot of sense for the US anyway. The Swiss are issued equipment, including rifle and ammunition, by their government to fight a foreign invader. The US militia on the other hand, is almost certainly to be used against the government, not by the government.

2019-01-27 20:50:56 UTC  

Look into the Finish firearms laws, Forgotten Weapons and InrangeTV did a video on it at Finish Brutality last year

2019-01-27 20:54:20 UTC  

The first war the US fought was the Whiskey Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

2019-01-27 22:13:00 UTC  

@Atkins I'm not so sure. The first use of firearms in the American colonies was generally in defense of local towns and farms against attacks and small militant raids. Firearms are always characterized with "the wild west" because having a reliable firearm was important for both hunting and defense of the home and village.

2019-01-27 22:13:35 UTC  

There are still analogous threats (cartels for example).

2019-01-27 22:15:30 UTC  

The only land forces that ever posed a direct threat to the US and declared war were Britian/Canada (1812, which went so well that Washington burned) and Mexico (Mexican-American war, where Mexico actually had the larger military at the time). Neither is a serious threat at the moment, but I wouldn't discount the role of firearms for training and deterrence.

2019-01-27 23:36:09 UTC  

```Christian News, a Lutheran journal published in New Haven, Missouri, USA, under the above caption published the following item in its Feb. 4, 2002 issue: "In 1960, Robert Menard was a commander aboard the USS Constellation when he was part of a meeting between United States Navy personnel and their counterparts in the Japanese Defense Forces. "Fifteen years had passed since VJ Day, most of those at the meeting were WWII veterans, and men who had fought each other to the death at sea were now comrades in battle who could confide in each other. "Someone at the table asked a Japanese admiral why, with the Pacific Fleet devastated at Pearl Harbor and the mainland U.S. forces in what Japan had to know was a pathetic state of unreadiness, Japan had not simply invaded the West Coast. "Commander Menard would never forget the crafty look on the Japanese commander's face as he frankly answered the question. " 'You are right,' he told the Americans. 'We did indeed know much about your preparedness. We knew that probably every second home in your country contained firearms. We knew that your country actually had state championships for private citizens shooting military rifles. We were not fools to set foot in such quicksand.' "```

2019-01-28 00:15:18 UTC  

I don't think we face foreign invasion in the foreseeable future. It's just not a credible threat. The only credible martial threats to my person are from actors already residing in the United States.

2019-01-28 00:17:31 UTC  

the only likely invasion in the united states in the foreseeable future is from south america

2019-01-28 00:17:52 UTC  

but that wont be a typical invasion

2019-01-28 00:19:33 UTC  

i also believe actors within borders pose threat. what is most problematic are the ppl that don't understand they can be easily pushed into radicalization due to their extreme stances.
peeps are literally single-ing themselves out to be tools for more persuasive individuals. not enough self-estimation

2019-01-28 04:30:24 UTC  

Just a thought, couldn't there be a criminal charge against Nathan Philipps for Assault??

2019-01-28 04:30:31 UTC  

here in Germany it should be possible

2019-01-28 04:33:01 UTC  

Well germany's fucked then

2019-01-28 04:38:01 UTC  

Depends on how loud the Drum was

2019-01-28 05:59:17 UTC  

Foreign invasion is always a constant threat regardless of the nation

2019-01-28 06:06:47 UTC  

Having the large amount of firearms poses a final problem for any theoretical invasion of the US

2019-01-28 06:09:48 UTC  

Ironically the US cant solve the problem which would be its greatest asset in a defensive war on its home soil

2019-01-28 14:56:54 UTC  

You say that like the numbers of firearms are the problem though.
It seems to stem more from society then the number of firearms.

2019-01-28 15:31:51 UTC  

yep. it's cultural and behavioral

2019-01-28 15:36:22 UTC  

The threat of invasion by the state is a bigger threat than invasion by a foreign nation.

2019-01-28 16:39:54 UTC  

yep

2019-01-28 19:39:41 UTC  

The Issue I was referring to was a prolonged insurgency

2019-01-28 19:40:02 UTC  

rather than prolific gun violence

2019-01-28 23:49:45 UTC  

Outright invasion isn't a threat in the current climate, a slow invasion and then continual terrorist style insurgent attacks are more of a concern and more likely to effect regular citizens, which is exaclty what we should try to avoid.

2019-01-28 23:49:54 UTC  

Tightening borders helps prevent these risks.

2019-01-29 01:53:33 UTC  

Hmm

2019-01-29 09:59:01 UTC  

u know it is too late for that cus it allready happend? they learned their lesons in WW1 and WW2 to take it slowly

2019-01-29 10:02:47 UTC  

Actually, industrial war is exactly why an outright invasion is unlikely since it'll justify escalation which can have globally apocalyptic consequences

2019-01-29 10:03:27 UTC  

Instead, a belligerent nation will fund and support a proxy terrorist group that they expect to become rogue (or pretend they didn't to their superiors)

2019-01-29 11:48:35 UTC  

Speaking of WWII America, do you think we have the capability (as a nation) to mobilize at the scale we could back in that time?