To counter that sxtynien, you probably dont know what its like being poor and having no police to help you. Most felons and people who struggle with life fit this category

your appeal for authority is commendible but ill just point out how im not talking about medicine, im talking about politics. what your policy does is deal in the world of civil rights regardless of whom it applies it. i have to ask myself whom it can apply to and the problem with that question is that it can apply to anyone who is deemed medically mentally ill by the state, and no state has been innocent of reinterperating its exceptions to fit another definition than the one previously admited or simply bribing people it relys on to qualify people to fit under its definition to administer its policys to people illegitamently

Being poor and having police help are not mutually exclusive, I have dwelt in very impoverished areas of the country, which had even MORE of a police presence than the affluent ones

Yea but its still not usually enough.

In area where laws are hard to reach ppl need to look after their own backs

In defense of sxty, there can be a serious rise in mental illness in the u.s which would require gun restrictions

@Arch-Fiend the policies, were very simple, leaving little room for abuse. Violent Felons, and those with VERY SPECIFIC mental illnesses should be prevented from owning firearms, for the safety of themselves and those around them. Both of those demographics are statistically many times higher of using a gun incorrectly, thus increasing the risk. I am not suggesting that those with anxiety, or OCD, be prevented from owning a gun, those with the very specific DANGEROUS mental illnesses, that any psychologist or mental health professional can diagnose from a very detailed rubric of symptoms. Should several professionals in this field of study agree, then you would see a very small margin of error or window for potential abuse taking place. Unless there was some kind of totalitarian system and the Dr.s were forced to comply with the wishes of the State. That is not the system we have now and Dr.'s still have the freedom to diagnose their patients accurately

i would actually argue the more people that the law could apply to the less legitament the law would be

It was nice debating with you dudes, have a good one. Seriously though Arch-Fiend, volunteer at a behavioral health center, you'll know what I'm talking about - however most of the really scary ones are already incarcerated, but there are plenty of folk, especially with heavy pharmaceutical use, that should not own or carry a firearm. I've been there and seen it first hand

Im more worried about people like that starting fires honestly

actually we do live in a system where the dr's will be forced to comply with the wishes of the state. its not called totalitarianism, its called corruption, bribry, and blackmail. its rampent within our criminal justice system however atleast within that they have to proove you did something, which your proposition they simply have to argue weather or not you have a mental condition

Dr.'s diagnose a condition, from a very specific group of guidelines, they don't argue with you about it

the more Dr.'s agree if you have it, more certain a diagnosis becomes

seriously though, have a good one

that doesent actually adress what i just said

Have a good one 2 sxty

Though the video was only a small bit about gun control lol

that guy doesent have a clue how law works

I wanna know if @wally is a statist or not

@Wally

Back 2 the 12 minute mark

Oh there it is. The argument that everyone is already in the system and that were practically socialist already

But it missed the half that said majority of the people arent paying enough to be part of the system

Would there be a way for such people to recover their firearms?

A path to redemption as it were

There should be. If a felon is clean for years he should have his right to bear arms. If he keeps breaking laws, keep adding years till its pretty much a lifetime

And ppl have conquered their mental illnesses, but it takes alot of time

And if no improvement, no guns

The whole point for the prison system and the mental illness stuff is to bring them back to society, not make them outcasts

" If he keeps breaking laws, keep adding years till its pretty much a lifetime"

thats a bit of a problem in a justice system that all but forces people to break the law just to not be homeless in society after getting out of jail

Yea. Its all imperfect

Though were imperfect ourselves

So its what we deserve. Neither heaven nor hell, just inbetween.

in a nation where we treat criminals as criminals for life, its no surprise SJWs have no forgiveness in their ideology.

for all the holier than tho talk of the more religious claiming to be better than SJWs because they are willing to forgive, they have plenty among their ranks who hold the same ill for "sinners"

It would not surprise me if it was an evolved trait. Someone who has shown a willingness to cross the rules of the ingroup cannot be trusted to not do it again.

some religions have room for forgiveness but jesus christ not the abrahamic ones

they literly invented eternal damnation

so if they claim they can handle the whole forgiveness thing id be very sceptical

I also support the death penalty lol

Like if the crime is bad enough, fry them. Or if they committed to many crimes, also fry them, but give them a final warning