Message from @Undead Mockingbird

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2019-02-06 19:09:07 UTC  

Also even back in the days the had to put those ridges on coins

2019-02-06 19:09:36 UTC  

Because ppl kept putting cheaper materials to make gold/silver coins. Thats why they bite into them in the movies

2019-02-06 19:09:47 UTC  

The ridges made sure they werent counterfeit

2019-02-06 19:10:03 UTC  

There are ways to lie

2019-02-06 19:10:33 UTC  

Also with youtube, the view number is inflated due to bots etc. Its almost all of social media

2019-02-06 19:10:41 UTC  

Yes, you can defeat the purpose of money.

2019-02-06 19:11:21 UTC  

And supply as well

2019-02-06 19:11:22 UTC  

You can mess with prices and we do in many ways. Rent control, minimum wage and so forth are typical ways in which we disrupt the price signals in a market.

2019-02-06 19:11:35 UTC  

Without goverment interference

2019-02-06 19:11:45 UTC  

But as far as the role of money is concerned, it simply expresses the relative value people assign to it.

2019-02-06 19:12:39 UTC  

If 100 coconuts cost $100 or $1 each on that fictional island doesn't really matter.

2019-02-06 19:13:01 UTC  

The fact is that the relative value of all coconuts is the same.

2019-02-06 19:13:30 UTC  

If you introduce another good that people would trade two coconuts for, it means the price is going to be twice that of a coconut.

2019-02-06 19:14:13 UTC  

So, I am confused when people talk about something "exceeding" the total economic value.

2019-02-06 19:14:13 UTC  

Id honestly prefer trading goods over currency. But it would slow the market to a crawl

2019-02-06 19:14:18 UTC  

The value is already accounted for.

2019-02-06 19:14:31 UTC  

What is being expressed is the relative value first and foremost

2019-02-06 19:14:34 UTC  

Techincally yes. You pay w.e you want for sonething

2019-02-06 19:14:42 UTC  

And if you have a currency pegged to gold, it's the relative value to gold.

2019-02-06 19:14:42 UTC  

I know what your saying

2019-02-06 19:14:48 UTC  

But the precise number is still arbitrary.

2019-02-06 19:15:25 UTC  

And prices are adjusted to best make profits to get ppl to buy them

2019-02-06 19:15:34 UTC  

The value of any coconut cannot ever "exceed" anything but a fictional limitation you put on the monetary supply.

2019-02-06 19:15:47 UTC  

But then you have already defeated the purpose of money at that point.

2019-02-06 19:16:45 UTC  

But money needs goverment to hold itself up, even before the federal reserve

2019-02-06 19:17:00 UTC  

The reason my coconut has value is because its observable

2019-02-06 19:17:12 UTC  

Money needs to be reliable.

2019-02-06 19:17:13 UTC  

Same for w.e i trade it for

2019-02-06 19:17:17 UTC  

It's a promise.

2019-02-06 19:17:34 UTC  

The fact the goverment failed to trade the bills for gold was on then

2019-02-06 19:17:56 UTC  

But it didnt change the fact money was still needed for a healthy market

2019-02-06 19:18:03 UTC  

An assurance, a fixed value

2019-02-06 19:18:08 UTC  

But you do see my point about anything in an economic system "exceeding" any fixed value supply, right?

2019-02-06 19:18:19 UTC  

If it's there and people desire it, it has a value.

2019-02-06 19:18:26 UTC  

It's part of the economic environment.

2019-02-06 19:18:40 UTC  

Yea i do. Im just saying it needs standards

2019-02-06 19:18:59 UTC  

But those standards are relative, even if you peg it to gold as you said.

2019-02-06 19:19:18 UTC  

If the coins have intrinsic value, it is just that people assign a value to the coins.

2019-02-06 19:19:24 UTC  

It's not really a different scenario.

2019-02-06 19:19:24 UTC  

Based on the ability for something else to do it

2019-02-06 19:19:34 UTC  

Something has to happen for value